Yadier Molina Contract Extension??

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  • #147344
    gscottar
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    I am sure the marketing department on Clark Avenue is strongly advocating for Mo to bring Yadi and Waino back and I get that to a certain degree. Cardinal fans like their legends but you also have to consider are the majority of Cardinal fans going to be excited if the same exact team from 2020 is rolled out again in 2021 minus Wong?

    #147378
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    I think 2021 will be better on the field if both Molina and Wainwright come back BUT I am almost certain 2022 will be better if they don’t play for the Cardinals in 2021 because the short term pain will allow the Cardinals to see what they have for depth and make better off season decisions after the 2021 season.

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    Brian Walton
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    Really thought-provoking point of view, ZTR. Thank you for sharing it.

    #147398
    14NyquisT
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    the short term pain will allow the Cardinals to see what they have for depth and make better off season decisions after the 2021 season.

    Hmmm…. with Molina playing every game.

    #147405
    Brian Walton
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    Ny, I believe you misunderstood ZTR’s point.

    #147409
    gscottar
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    ZTR, I agree with your post and I have advocated that the Cardinals do this in the past. They need to stop kicking the can down the road in order to sell a few more tickets. We need some new blood on this team and letting the younger guys play in 2021 in anticipation for a big 2022 makes sense. We can’t hang onto the past forever.

    #147642
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    This is from C-70 At The Bat (Cards Conclave)on Molina

    It’s also perhaps worth noting that he hit .328 from when he returned from the COVID-IL until Knizner was sent down, then .217 the rest of the way. Part of that is being rested, of course, but it goes on the pile of evidence that Molina is motivated, in part, by making sure nobody takes his job.

    Seems like its all about Yadi. Is it that obvious?

    So much for the myth that Molina helps out the young catchers coming up… au contrare

    #147654
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    ZTR:

    My head is spinning after reading that and I can honestly say I never thought of it that way before. But I think you have solved the mystery of the Cardinals front office malaise.

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    This was on Cards Conclave talking about Shildt:

    Shildt’s tactics aren’t always above reproach (and I think he does better when he allows himself to be aggressive) but his management of players (save perhaps Yadier Molina, who again feels like he outranks everyone)

    I may be banging the same drum but there is something about the tail wagging the dog that irks me.

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    #148624
    Brian Walton
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    This decision would seem to impact Molina…

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    Nigel T
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    Because the Yankees want Sanchez to have a two year mentor and an insurance policy if his bat continues downward?

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    jj-cf-stl
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    Surprising Philly isn’t on Yadi’s list.

    #148645
    14NyquisT
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    Despite all of Yadi’s demands and loco comments plus his rapidly declining defense… some team with a bag fall of $$ might swoop in and fly off with Molina. Fingers crossed.

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    14NyquisT? Are you keeping your fingers crossed that some teams swoops off with Molina? Or that he does end up back in St. Louis?

    Personally I hope he goes.

    r/Esteemed Rat

    #148659
    Nigel T
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    Molina should sign with St.Louis and will be better than anyone we could reasonably sign, but other teams interest will drive his price outside of reason.

    #149196
    Brian Walton
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    A recent conversation between the Cardinals and the representative for Yadier Molina about a contract extension didn’t get far, according to a source, with Molina’s side balking at an offer they deemed “ridiculous.”

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    Brian Walton
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    At face value, this makes it appear the Molina camp is getting burned by having been greedy.

    Of course, the two sides could not have signed such a deal last spring due to the pay cut being over the maximum allowed. I guess they could have shook hands on it at the time, to be finalized in the fall.

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    It will be interesting to see what the James McCann deal is worth for Chicago. McCann is much younger so he certainly commands more years. He’s had a season and a half of being good. I’d expect him to get 2-3 million of AAV more than Yadi but who knows how the market really will work at this point.

    I feel like if Molina really would accept 2 years and 20M, I’d go for it. Perhaps that’s not realistic at this point though.

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    I would expect McCann to get a bigger deal from the Mets or whoever he signs with than Yadi gets.

    I have always thought that 2/20 would be a good deal for Yadi, maybe $8 in 2021 and $12 in 2022. Of course, the Cardinals may view it differently now with the financial uncertainty.

    To be candid, Molina the player is a Cardinal HOF and I appreciate what he has done on the field but his prima dona attitude he has for himself is a big turn off to me. I would love to see Knizer be named the everyday catcher but the Cardinals don’t seem to have any confidence in Knizer at all.

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    Just read an article that Yadi had rejected a “ridiculous” offer from the Cards. Reports are that he is looking for a minimum one-year, $10m deal with an option.

    Did the Cards really offer him anything? Could not tell from Mo’s comments during the press conference. Or, does anyone think the Cards offered him a one year, incentive based contract with no option (similar to what they offered Wainright last year)?

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    1964:

    Was it Molina who called the offer ridiculous?

    #149354
    14NyquisT
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    He might find out that offers from other teams will be even more “ridiculous”. Obviously, we won’t be getting the old “home town discount” from the Molina boys.

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    Nate, the Bleacher Report article I read was quoting Mark Saxson. He said that “Molina’s side” made the comment.

    https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/12/09/yadier-molina-considered-cardinals-recent-contract-offer-ridiculous/

    #149362
    Brian Walton
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    The Saxon article is linked-to a few posts above on this page, with the quote in question extracted. Just scroll up.

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