Yadier Molina Contract Extension??

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  • #145790
    gscottar
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    Interesting take….

    #145799
    Brian Walton
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    I wrote a column following a column…

    Molina Needs a Trusted Advisor, but Would it Matter?

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    If anyone out there subscribes to the Belleville News Democrat, please share the gist of anything important beyond what is in these tweets – but do not copy anyone’s articles in their entirety.

    #145807
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    He basically says that the Cards have very little leverage with Molina because they have so mishandled Knizer that they have no MLB ready catcher to take over full time, and they don’t have the money for Realmuto, therefore, they must re-sign Molina.

    He went on to say that the Cardinals have done a poor job of developing position players, etc….. I thought the article was a little too harsh although I do agree about the mishandling of Knizer.

    #145809
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    Interesting quotes from Waino. Could be posturing.

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    Thanks, gscottar. I thought by the quotes it was a DeWitt article rather than mostly an opinion piece.

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    #146030
    Brian Walton
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    Mo was asked about Knizner.

    “We would like to see him get more opportunity than the 17 at-bats he got this season. There could be another face in the mix (if Molina does not return).”

    #146034
    stlcard25
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    Yadi will bring fans in next year so you’d think that they would *like* to bring him back. But Yadi also has a very high view of himself and could price himself right out of the Cards’ ability to sign him.

    Ironically, some of Yadi’s HOF credentials will rest on his narrative of one team for his career. He would have to go somewhere and win a title or at least a pennant for it not to be a net negative to his HOF chances.

    #146038
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    I dunno. A lot of guys hang on for a year or two with other teams. I think Yadi has accomplished enough already.

    As far as this winter, I predict the Cardinals are going to stall for weeks to even make him an offer (because they know they are too far apart). That will frustrate Molina and he will go public with his concerns.

    #146039
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    I am actually now buying into the idea we may be looking at a Knizer-Weiters tandem next year and the Knizer part of the equation excites me.

    #146042
    stlcard25
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    I am actually now buying into the idea we may be looking at a Knizer-Weiters tandem next year and the Knizer part of the equation excites me.

    I don’t want Wieters back under any circumstances. I would rather have Knizner start with one of the minors guys being brought up (Rodriguez is supposedly a good glove, right?) than trust any part of the battery to Wieters. He was awful in every phase of the game this year.

    #146045
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    I don’t want Wieters either but when does our front office do what I want?

    As for Yadi, if he really decides to bolt I see him going to the Angels.

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    Mark Saxon wrote about Molina and Wainwright. Bengie Molina clearly doesn’t understand the 20% maximum salary reduction being the reason why Yadi was not re-signed sooner, which makes me seriously wonder if Yadi doesn’t know too.

    When I wrote the other day that Yadi needs people around him who understand what is going on, this is the kind of thing I was talking about. Though in all fairness, his agent should be all over this.

    And Saxon did not call it out, either.

    “They needed to be signed a long time ago,” Molina’s brother, Bengie, told KMOX’s Kevin Wheeler on Wednesday. “They don’t need to go to free agency. They might be tempted out there, man, and you might lose your two franchise players. To me, in my opinion, they needed to be signed a long time ago.”

    https://theathletic.com/2169186/2020/10/29/in-a-frugal-offseason-can-cardinals-keep-yadier-molina-and-adam-wainwright/

    #146258
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    It always blows me away when I see that people on this board have a better idea of how the business of baseball works than the actual people involved. Amazing.

    #146266
    Brian Walton
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    My real concern is what Yadi thinks. If Bengie is repeating what he is hearing from his brother, Yadi may already be feeling disrespected, because he doesn’t understand how salaries are dictated by the CBA. Of even if he knows, why doesn’t his brother?

    #146294
    14NyquisT
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    Molina to the Marlins. He likes warmth and is better suited for that climate.

    #146296
    stlcard25
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    I can’t see Yadi going to a team with no chance to win. I realize that they lucked out in the short season but they’ll lose 90 games next year.

    #146299
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    Free

    Wieters shouldnt be on any teams 26 man roster.

    #146303
    14NyquisT
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    There is little doubt that Molina likes playing with younger guys. They would be players that Molina could point to and say “look how I improved this team”. That is if they actually improve… especially pitchers.

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    stlcard25
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    There is little doubt that Molina likes playing with younger guys. They would be players that Molina could point to and say “look how I improved this team”. That is if they actually improve… especially pitchers.

    Improved from 68 to 70 wins? Unless the Marlins are his only bidder, there’s no way he goes there. If he’s looking for a young team in warm weather, he goes to San Diego. If he wants the big city, New York. It will be a team that is built to win.

    #146306
    Brian Walton
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    I tend to agree. In terms of what matters most to Molina I would guess it is ranked something like this:

    Chance to play every day to increase my personal counting stats and games played
    Chance to win another World Series to enhance my legacy
    Respectful contract, ideally two years
    Remaining a career Cardinal

    (you can order these any way you want, as they are minor compared to the others)
    Playing with Waino again
    Helping younger players to develop
    Helping a poor team to improve
    Playing with Albert again
    Playing for TLR again
    Playing in a warm weather location

    Of course, we are all trying to guess what is inside of someone else’s head, so we may all be wrong.

    #146307
    jj-cf-stl
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    Who would spend on Yadi as a FA? The NYY are not too thrilled with Arb2 Sanchez. The NYM have already declined Ramos and Chirinos options, which leaves Nido who has started about 70 games. Who else is willing to spend, and do they need a catcher?

    The long game this offseason may not benefit Yadi.

    #146321
    gscottar
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    The Yankees and Angels would be most likely for Yadi if he leaves with the White Sox as a dark horse.

    #146328
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    Angels, good call. CHW have Grandal through 2023, even with the TLR connection, I doubt Yadi would sign there unless things went really, really south for him this winter. Agree, dark horse.

    NYY, NYM, LAA

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