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  • #193960
    bccran
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    Former starter for the PCL in the AAA All Star Game. At least some baseball men have respected him.

    #193966
    Brian Walton
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    Not to take anything away from that 2019 PCL honor, but a lot has changed in the last three years. Not sure how that is even slightly relevant today, other than to note he has been in Triple-A a long time.

    In a side note, Rangel Ravelo was the other Redbird in the 2019 game and Hudson was the starting pitcher for the PCL the year prior. Now those All-Star Games have been abolished by MLB.

    #193981
    Lee
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    Brian
    It is relevant as he was chosen over probably 20-30 other pitchers. Or is it your saying the people who nominated Jake to start the aaa all star game, don’t really know what talent looks like?
    It’s ok to call it like it is: the Cards have unjustly kept him in aaa, even with better marks than others. We shouldn’t down play that the FO has failed yet again.

    #193982
    bccran
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    Nothing of note, except that other baseball people outside of the Cardinals organization seem to have a higher opinion of Woodford. At least they did at one time. Woodford doesn’t throw the ball through the wall like Helsley, Pallante, Fernandez, etc. He relies on moving the ball in and out, up and down, hitting corners, changing speeds, etc. Professional pitching. Apparently the Cards prefer flame throwers in the pen. Or guys they’ve signed that haven’t worked out that they’re reluctant to admit they made mistakes on.

    #193984
    stlcard25
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    Who are the other baseball people outside the Cards organization? I would guess that if someone had a higher opinion of Woodford than St Louis did, he’d be on that team right now.

    #193988
    Brian Walton
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    Lee, to answer your question, I think you missed a key word. It was a nice honor at the time, which I acknowledged. I also stated a 2019 All-Star appearance has no relevance to TODAY, which is what this thread is all about – how Woodford has been used here in 2022.

    #193991
    bccran
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    Consensus seems to be that he’s getting a raw deal. I tend to agree.

    #194005
    blingboy
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    As a starter .400 win percentage, 4.05 ERA, 1.325 WHIP. Not super compelling.

    #194007
    1982 willie
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    If the Cardinals didn’t have any pitching issues all season, health or otherwise, it might make sense that Woodford hasn’t been used more. But that obviously hasn’t been the case. A lot of the pitchers we’ve used have far worse numbers than Woodford and we have kept trying to use them in spite of that. Obvious a raw deal is going on here. I have hardly any respect for this management the team has.

    #194009
    Nigel T
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    You can assume the situation is a cinergy. Load management has to allow him to produce 30 September innings without going far beyond 150. He may be of less trade value now so you don’t have to be concerned with optics, and he may even be involved in a rift.
    The Cardinals model includes the concept of dry powder. Perhaps that explains his usage without conspiracy theories being necessary.

    #194010
    mudville
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    I think Woodford’s pitches have late movement that wasn’t there a year or two ago. With the recent influx of pitching, there’s no reason to try to break him into MLB this year. So he’s pretty much out of the loop until next spring unless he’s chosen to be one of the September call-ups.

    #194011
    forsch31
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    If I looked at it correct, he has used all 3 of his options. That means he will either be on the major league team next year or have to be exposed to the other teams to pick up.

    #194017
    jj-cf-stl
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    Woodford:
    11-20-2019, added to 40man during the offseason.

    2020, did anyone use an option year when there were no minors games? Need Brians help on that one. He has all that taxi squad / alternate site stuff figured out.

    4-11-21, optioned to alternate traing site from ST.
    4-30-21 called up. Less than 20 days.
    6-28-21 optioned down.
    7-19-21 called up. Less than 20 days?
    8-1-21 optioned down
    9-3-21 called up. This is more than 20 days. I believe he used an option year here.

    5-6-22, makes active roster out of ST
    5-15-22 optioned down.
    5-26 recalled. Less than 20 days.
    5-30 optioned down.
    6-4 recalled. Less than 20.
    6-6 optioned down
    6-25 recalled. Less than 20.
    7-2 optioned down to date, more than 20 days, so an option yr was used.

    2020? Don’t know
    2021 used option yr
    2022 used option yr

    What about 2020 forsch? Do you know if anyone used a option yr?

    #194026
    forsch31
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    I forgot about that crazy season. I’m not sure if there were any options that year.

    #194036
    Brian Walton
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    I didn’t verify, but I think Woodford had two of three (corrected) allowable options remaining coming into this season.

    #194040
    jj-cf-stl
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    How about 2020 Brian?
    Did no player lose an option year that season?

    #194045
    forsch31
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    Woodford gets 4 seasons?

    #194048
    Brian Walton
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    No, four seasons was a mistake. The fourth doesn’t even potentially come into play until three are used.

    As far as 2020, it depended on the player. I don’t think Woodford used an option last year.

    An author at VEB dug into 2020 options in detail with Justin Williams the then-current example.

    https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2021/3/25/22349348/williams-gets-a-fourth-option-for-2021-the-mystery-unraveled

    #194064
    forsch31
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    Brian, Woodford used an option last year. He was sent down August 1 and recalled September 3. That’s at least 20 days. If you meant 2020, I’m not sure. I think his nickname was “YoYo” that year the way he was up and down.

    #194100
    jj-cf-stl
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    * If a players optional assignment(s) to the minors totals less than 20 days in one season, an option is not used –cots transaction glossary

    So it’s less than 20 days total, not per demotion. Clearly Woodford has used two seasons, 21′ and 22′, it’s 2020 that is unclear.

    #194108
    blingboy
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    In the case of DeJong, weren’t his previous assignments to MiLB all injury rehabs? If so then 2022 is his first option year used, correct?

    #194110
    Cards667
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    Once you reach 5 years of service time you have the right to refuse minor league option. DeJong is close to reaching it. He started the season with 4.127 years of service.
    Woodford had 2 option years entering this season.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/cardinals

    #194232
    bccran
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    Against a decent Jacksonville team
    last night – 6 innings pitched, 83 pitches, 53 strikes, 1 run given,
    5 hits given, 5 strike outs.

    The beat goes on.

    #194233
    stlcard25
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    Which current starter is Woodford better than? I can see the point of having him as a backup in case of emergency. He’d be better than some in our bullpen but we have some middle innings guys now.

    Bottom line, it’s fine that he’s staying stretched out and having good results.

    #194235
    bccran
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    Might as well move out of his apartment and buy a home in Memphis. In a neighborhood with good schools for the kids.

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