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October 31, 2020 at 1:37 am #146408
As long as any of these moves don’t lead to Carpenter playing more regularly.October 31, 2020 at 1:46 am #146409
I much prefer Sosa over Schrock. He has a more potent bat, and is a plus glove. The fact that Schrock never improved after AA was telling.October 31, 2020 at 7:56 am #146418jj-cf-stlParticipant
I’d call Piscotty for Munoz and Schrock a wash at this time, once we bring salaries into play. Our guys didn’t play enough, or produce enough (+ or -), for their salaries to move the needle.
OAK has two more guaranteed seasons of Piscotty and he’s trending the wrong direction. I wouldn’t target him or his contract this winter, but he does have the opportunity to rebound, and I hope he does. OAK has received 3.5war for 16mil to date, which gives Stephen a small surplus to work from.October 31, 2020 at 8:47 am #146422GameCardParticipantFree
I greatly preferred Max Schrock over Sosa…I always prefer LH bats. Besides, I know him.October 31, 2020 at 9:01 am #146423bccranParticipant
Why do you prefer Schrock, GameCard?October 31, 2020 at 9:37 am #14642614NyquisTParticipant
Both he and Wong gone spells one thing…..”MO HAS A BIG ACQUISITION LOOMING”.
Maybe its a new home in a different city.October 31, 2020 at 10:03 am #146427Euro DandyParticipantFree
With the financial stress leading to Wong’s departure, I guess the emphasis on keeping middle infield defense rose significantly. Like bccran, I was very impressed with Sosa in ST with the little I saw. Appeared to be very slick with the glove.October 31, 2020 at 11:49 am #146439bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
While I prefer Sosa much more than Schrock, I do like Max’ hitting style. He has that approach where you “throw your hands at the ball”, which is a good technique for putting the ball in play and driving pitches the other way. It is the classic Tony Perez hitting approach, but Perez had power.
Still I do not see his departure as a great loss. I would have preferred to keep both him and Sosa with Wong likely heading elsewhere, but so be it.October 31, 2020 at 12:03 pm #146440
When I projected guys to be removed from the roster, I did not include Schrock. But they decided to keep others instead – at least for now. Ahead are Rule 5 protection decisions and any free agents to be signed to fit onto three available spots.October 31, 2020 at 1:28 pm #146456gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
Edman vs. Wong: A Comparison We Shouldn’t Have to Make
Edman should come close to matching Wong’s production. The Cardinals would be better with both players. https://t.co/TC1FFpHpdu pic.twitter.com/XpXqqTOwco
— viva el birdos (@vivaelbirdos) October 31, 2020October 31, 2020 at 8:09 pm #146480
Keeping Nogowski over Schrok surprised me.
Again, why does everyone love Wong so much? I don’t get it. He’s more than replaceable. And he was due to make $12.5 million. His production is worth about $2 million max.October 31, 2020 at 8:14 pm #146481
His production is worth about $2 million max.
This would be why you don’t get it. You clearly don’t understand player valuation in today’s game.October 31, 2020 at 8:28 pm #146482shakenbake McBrideParticipantFree
Don’t look now, but Descalso is back on the market!October 31, 2020 at 8:45 pm #146483
No, I do. Wong can be replaced by many people making league minimum pretty well. He’s not worth the money at all. He’s a pretty boy, head case, with a below average bat, and good range. And on a team that can’t score runs. I’ve wanted him gone for awhile. Wish they would have got something for him while his value was up last off season, instead of thinking he broke out and was something more than he is and he’s not worth $12.5 million on any team, let alone a cash strapped team that needs offense he can’t provide. I guarentee he’s not getting $12.5 on the open market, and if someone gives that to him they have made a huge mistake.October 31, 2020 at 8:48 pm #146484
He’s a pretty boy, head case, with a below average bat, and good range.
You’ve got two cases you made there, one negative and one positive. The other two are simply your own views that always seem to come up and suspiciously only get levied against a particular type of player. I’d bet if if it was Tommy Edman with the exact same situation, you wouldn’t have an issue with him.October 31, 2020 at 9:15 pm #146485
“only get levied against a particular type of player.”
What, one who you can see it in his eyes? He’s in his own head all the time. You can see it.
And you can see the pretty boy in his cleats, glove, arm sleeve. I don’t like it. Wear the uniform and play ball. I’ve never liked over individualism.
His defense was above average, and at times, spectacular. But hes not a keystone player, he’s not a $12.5 million player. He’s replaceable.
Edman sure doesn’t seem to be a pretty boy, which I like. If that’s what you mean.October 31, 2020 at 9:25 pm #146487
"I Can Still Hear You, Mom" | Kolten Wong sat down with The Players’ Tribune to share the highs and lows of his journey to the #MLB, including his first year in the league when he got picked off in the #WorldSeries and lost his mom. https://t.co/bQzpMV1826
— ESPN Honolulu (@ESPNHonolulu) May 11, 2018October 31, 2020 at 9:31 pm #146488
Kolten Wong, Cardinals bring joy to young cancer patients and their families https://t.co/XatzZawJRU pic.twitter.com/RxeDdlHTCg
— StLSportsPage.com (@StLSportsPage) August 10, 2019October 31, 2020 at 9:33 pm #146489
On Monday, Kolten Wong and Jason Motte hosted the sixth annual Cornhole Challenge which benefits those fighting against cancer.
Motte: "It just amazes me every single year the people that come out to support it and we're really grateful for it." #TimeToFly pic.twitter.com/EnnmFzLUlQ
— FOX Sports Midwest (@FSMidwest) May 22, 2019October 31, 2020 at 9:50 pm #146493
All that is great, BW. He just doesn’t play the right way though. What next, his hat starts falling off while he’s playing? We can’t have that!October 31, 2020 at 10:13 pm #146494
Again why butt hurt? Why the love for a guy who is replaceable? I don’t see it. I’ve never seen it with Wong, at all. I had high hope’s being a 1st round pick and flashes early. But after a few seasons I was ready to sell him off and move on and utilize his money elsewhere. He’s not worth it. Do you love the baby blue glove and yellow cleats that much that you have to then make a comment about pretty boy Bader’s hair and hat falling off too? Yes, hes a pretty boy with the hair and needs to play ball too because he’s about to lose his spot too if he doesn’t.October 31, 2020 at 11:06 pm #146497
I’ll be curious how much Wong signs for. I’d guess post Covid, he will get 2 years 10 to 12 million.October 31, 2020 at 11:33 pm #146499
If 2 yr $10 million is what he gets then it can be in St. Louis honestly. I’m not a huge fan of his flashiness, as stated, but at $5 million a year for 2 years I can handle it. I’d rather see them add offense and use Edman at 2B where I think he will excell, but if offense can be added and Wong is in the picture at that price so be it. But not $12.5 million as he was scheduled to make. Not close.November 1, 2020 at 8:05 am #146507
Wong at 2 years and $10M would be more than fine to return. All things considered, I’d rather have Ha Seong Kim if he comes over for the same price.
The guy I really want gone is Tommy Edman. It’s nothing I have against him personally, but Shildt has such a fascination with him that’s completely unfounded. Never at any point in his minors career did he show skills that pointed to him being anything above average with the bat. His defense at 3rd this year was mediocre at best. Perhaps a move to 2nd where he won’t have to make such quick movements will help. Still, people are overrating him because he’s a switch hitter who can play multiple positions passably. But he’s better than Carp, who is a roster train wreck at this point.
Wong+Edman>>>>>Edman+CarpNovember 1, 2020 at 8:30 am #146510Minuteman3ParticipantFree
I’ve never seen it with Wong, at all.
Well yes, some of us are blind I guess.
Oops, looks like I have to extend this comment to STL25 and his ‘oversight’ of Edman.
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