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To me, Donovan should be the opening day LF, Edman should be the opening day SS.
They have roughly $27 million left, plus if they trade O’Neill and Gallegos, they can free up another $11 million.
I agree Bling. But I think in trading with the White Sox, you are trading prospects, not MLB players.
In terms of trading Burleson, Washington & the Yankees look like the best bets.
Of course, if the Cardinals don’t upgrade the rotation, we’ll need him when we trade Goldschmidt at the deadline.
I would be trying to trade combinations involving O’Neill, Carlson, Gallegos for relief pitching upgrades.
The idea is the whole of the three is greater than the sum of the parts. This is especially true if I can trade all three to Detroit and can get two of their three best relievers in return.
Burleson, I would strictly trade for prospects with the Yankees. With Washington, I would try to package Burleson + Carlson (or prospects) for Hunter Harvey.
Adam Duvall usually signs for $5-7 million. He is a perfectly fine 4th outfielder.
LF – Donovan
CF – Nootbaar
RF – Palacios
4th OF – Duvall
5th OF – Siani/GomezSS/6th OF – Edman
DH/7th OF – WalkerI figured it would be something like that. The position player half of the active roster would be those 7, Contreras, Herrera, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Winn, Gorman.
I don’t know mud. There have been so many click bait articles that are just somebody floating what they think is a potential trade matchup. I can’t remember if there is any meat to it or not.
mudville said:
And with this trade the Cardinals would be trading away, virtually, their whole system for three White Sox players.
That is why this would be very unlikely to happen. Do we think Bill DeWitt is going to all of a sudden abandon his build from within model? I don’t think he will.
LA said:
I’m not excited about Cease, I’d much rather have Glasnow.
Glasnow is the RH version of Snell. Electric stuff, high salary, and very likely to be on the IL.
LA said:
Adam Duvall usually signs for $5-7 million. He is a perfectly fine 4th outfielder.
This I totally agree with.
Do we think Bill DeWitt is going to all of a sudden abandon his build from within model? I don’t think he will.
This is why I think it’s more realistic to target bullpen upgrades through trades than starting pitching.
Do we think Bill DeWitt is going to all of a sudden abandon his build from within model? I don’t think he will.
The model just got us a 71-91 season, and a system that was most recently ranked a lot closer to the bottom than the top. But I agree, Bill still believes.
As to the 7 prospect for Cease and Robert trade proposal, I doubt that is what the Sox are looking for. The fact that it is so many tells the tale. They will be looking for top shelf talent, not quantity of lesser quality. Winn and Hence are all we have on the MLB top 100 prospects list, so that will be the starter but will not be enough, especially with Winn’s wretched start at the plate. I doubt Walker could be a centerpiece because of defensive limitations. He is really only a 1B/DH for an org serious about fielding a quality team. Donovan is a super UT whatever we want to pretend. Putting together a trade to get Robert away from them, and Cease, will really clean us out of our young rostered players and top prospects. Other orgs could more readily put together a package.
I think ‘build from within’ refers to not trying to fulfill needs by signing {expensive} free agents.
I think so too mud, but the regime clearly stinks at it. Fulfilling needs includes both bringing up guys to fill needs and having guys to trade for what is needed. We desperatly need top end starters but have very little in the system. With Walker and Winn in the bigs and needed to fill out a team, the best we seem to have in the minors is a new guy who we know is worth a Monty rental. That gets us nowhere. The model has failed miserably. There is little choice to to pay cash in the FA market.
There is a way to make the trade for Glasnow much more palatable – send back Steven Matz.
Cardinals trade Graceffo + Matz to the Rays for Glasnow.
Costs an incremental $13 million for the Cardinals, they still have $14 million left.
I don’t think the Rays would do that but they might take O’Neill back.
Glasnow still makes me very nervous though. His innings pitched throughout his career are:
2016- 23.1
2017- 62.0
2018- 111.2
2019- 60.2
2020- 57.1
2021- 88.0
2022- 6.2
2023- 120.0He is not reliable.
Taking on Matz and his contract would be out of character for the Rays. They would want either a young player with a potentially very bright future, or a veteran with predictable production, like when they signed Charlie Morton.
I’m not sure how much one year of Glasnow at $25M is worth in trade. I agree that a Glasnow trade is probably something the Cardinals could get done. That would give us 3 rotation members due for FA after 2024 and the other two after 2025.
After taking a fresh look at those innings pitched numbers that gscottar posted, I think Glasnow has to be taken out of the conversation about pitching help for the Cardinals. Maybe, if the Rays would offer him for a low level prospect and be willing to take back $20M of the #25M that is owed him, would he be worth taking a chance on. The negotiations for Glasnow will likely be centered around how much of his $25M salary the acquiring ballclub will accept.
With the Sonny Gray signing we now don’t have to worry about watching Glasnow or Snell sit on the IL. That is good news.
Jon Morosi said this AM on Hot Stove that the Cardinals could trade with the Padres for Juan Soto. Trading O’Neill, Carlson & Liberatore.
bling said:
…I doubt Walker could be a centerpiece because of defensive limitations. He is really only a 1B/DH for an org serious about fielding a quality team…
I am not quibbling with many of your comments, but I strongly disagree with this one. Your ongoing bias against Walker is not how the Cardinals (or most likely other teams) view him. I believe that because of his age, service time and upside that he would be the Cardinals’ MOST DESIRABLE trade chip (if he were to be made available, which he won’t be).
Usually, fans overvalue their team’s prospects and players, but you seem to dislike them all (though some more than others).
Of course, you are entitled to your opinions, even when they are off-base. 😉
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