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I believe the Cards can sign Imanaga and Gray and trade O’Neill for Bieber. That’s not a dream rotation, but it moves the needle quite a bit.
I agree with this, but I believe they go after Quintana rather than Bieber, hawking Carlson rather than O’Neill.
O’Neill can be used to get a good reliever that hasn’t hit arbitration yet.
For 2024:
Gray – $20M
Imanaga – $17M
Quintana – $13M
Total – $50MMinus
Carlson – -$3M
O’Neill – -$6M
Total: -$9MThen a FA reliever ~ $7-10M
Gets us to about $48-51M
I really like Clevinger also, but that’s just me, so they may go for him rather than Gray to save $5M and the draft pick. Or they could trade Edman as well to save some money ~ $5-6M.
I don’t think an international pitcher with no MLB experience is going to command a huge contract. It’s just to risky. My guess is that he will sign for something like 3 yrs/$50M, maybe less.
If Yamamoto signs for 3/50 I will be shocked.
I agree with this, but I believe they go after Quintana rather than Bieber, hawking Carlson rather than O’Neill.
I am not sure the Mets will trade Quintana. Currently all they have is Q and Senga in their rotation.
Every article I’ve read has Yamamoto looking for 8 years and 200 million and most thinking he will get it or close to it as he just turned 25.
The Mets signed Kodai Senga for 5 years, $75M during the 2021-2022 offseason. Senga was 29 years old when he signed, four years older than Yamamoto. He was highly regarded, but apparently not as highly regarded as Yamamoto. That said, 8 years, $200M may not be unreachable for Yamamoto even though those articles were probably paid for by Yamamoto’s agent. The good news is that the Cardinals are surely aware of that kind of pricing, and they are still interested. (I keep forgetting that the inmates are running the asylum.)
They’ll never get Imanaga, Gray is of no help and O’Neill would not get Bieber.
Uhhhh . . . Ok. I have no idea why you believe the first 2. The Cards can definitely get Imanaga and Gray seems like an excellent get if the Cards can sign him. The 3rd statement could be true because the Guardians may want younger less expensive talent. But they need outfielders and that’s a very fair trade. They both have equal value.
Imanaga has some really good stuff. But he’s small for a pitcher compared to your average US guys. The only real knock against him is his home run rate is somewhat bad for a Japanese pitcher and Japanese pitchers always see an increase in their home run rates due to the nature of the American game. So that could be a problem. But otherwise he has a great strikeout rate and almost never walks anyone. He could be a #1, depending on the home run rate, but he’s probably more likely a 2 with a floor of 3. He’s not nearly as young as Yamamoto so it’s likely a 3-4 year deal.
Junior will never pay dear for Imanaga, it’s very simple. As to Gray well, I suppose he could be of some help but the Cardinals need BIG BIG deals of superstar pitchers. What we finished up with was not even a major league staff.
Are the Dodgers going to pursue Arenado?
They might but I don’t think the Cardinals are going to trade him.
I’m starting to warm to the idea of trading Arenado, if you got good value for him. Meaning, someone sees him as the MVP candidate from 2022 and not the solid starter from 2023 version. Would I take a good young controllable starting pitcher for Arenado? I think I would. Then Gorman goes to his natural position, where I think he could at least match Arenado’s 2023 value, the Cards save some salary, Edman and Winn become the best double play combo in baseball, find yourself a CF, etc. Of course if 2023 was a bump on the HOF track for Nolan, you’ll look pretty dumb.
Bill nabbed a red jacket / HOF guy after a messy Rockies divorce, to add to the franchise legacy. Betcha the long game is already in play concerning Arenado’s 🎩.
If the Dodgers wanted to send us some combination of Miller, Pepiot, and Outman I would listen but I highly doubt they would do that, plus it would go against the theme of us staying in win now mode.
I understand that the Cards very likely won’t trade Arenado, for the reasons mentioned above. I’m simply saying that I see how it could benefit the team.
If Arenado is a 3 WAR masher with a solid glove at 3B going forward but some other team values him as the Gold Glove middle of the order MVP candidate he was last year…then the Cards would be wise to cut bait and move on. Nolan Gorman could hit .250 with 30 HRs and 100 RBIs and play solid 3B next year for a ton cheaper. It may appear to be a losing move that could be net neutral.
Then again, Arenado could hit .280 with 35 HRs and 120 RBIs in Seattle and even if we had Logan Gilbert and a playoff berth it might lead to fans rioting next October.
A net neutral of Arenado going forward, but plays 2B, is another core player already in place long term.
If BillyMo sign SP1 & 2, is a Gilbert for any core player trade still necessary to fill out the rotation?
Is Gorman at 2B really a core player though? The glove is improving a bit, but he’d likely provide more value at 3B. Again, Arenado is 33 so it’s not a given that he’s going to bounce back to 5+ WAR going forward. He could have a Goldy like resurgence, of course.
After what happened this year, I’m not going to look down on acquiring any average or better arms as a hedge.
The core player I’d trade after signing SP 1 & 2, is Contreras. I’ll use Willson for Mikolas as a framework.
Secure IP for next season with two SP3’s and trade from the catching pool to fund it.
Since we have been chatting about it here is an interesting read from VEB on the subject.
Does Contreras have any real trade value? Feels like that’s one we’re stuck with unless we want to trade a 3 WAR catcher for a 0 WAR pitcher.
I tend to agree with the VEB article although if the offer was great I’d have to consider it. Arenado is multiple years past his prime so it’s not like you’re trading him like the Rockies did.
Other than choking in post season, Arenado is fine, but the bottom line is we have a min wage guy who can replace him. That is exactly the situation you want your deveopment system to put you in. That payroll can be redeployed toward buying whatever the system is not supplying.
I don’t see how they can rightfully send Luken Baker back to Memphis in 2024. He’s had several productive minor league season prior to 2023. But since he hasn’t shown much at the major league level yet, he can’t really be called trade bait. He probably becomes a throw-in to finalize a trade. That’s risky
given his track record. I don’t see him as a DH either. I think a DH should be a seasoned player. I guess the best scenario is that another organization sees Baker as having a lot of potential and is willing to offer a top tier pitcher if Baker is included in a trade.Baker should have been in the lineup everyday from the deadline selloff until the end. It was a golden opportunity to play a guy who would otherwise be hard to get a good look at. There is a whole lot wrong with the organization that spending some money this winter won’t fix.
With the financial woes for the Padres, Joe Musgrove is a name that I could definitely see showing up…. he has 4/80 left on his contract, would slot in nicely as a #2 starter and it wouldn’t cost a draft pick.
I’m not even going to guess what it would take to get him, but it would cost less in prospects than some of the names being thrown out there for the “controllable” guys always mentioned.
Guesses on a prospect or cheap MLB guys package?
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