January 22, 2021 at 10:25 am #152297
Even with the moves lately, it feels like the stove is still cold. Hoping to at least see the Cards sign a utility infielder or something. What a dull off-season.January 22, 2021 at 12:03 pm #152305
Profar off the table too…thanks for the link on Andreleton…seems he will get a a bigger deal..
It is a cold offseason… and i hate to be a conspiracy theorist BUT…if this is a business COVID has given all the owners every bit of excuse to NOT spend money and pay players… even with the vaccine rolling out and no doubt for fans eventual return this year if not the following for sure, long term spending for players should not be off the table…
Creative pay structuring multi year deals have been around for years so don’t tell me they can’t work out a deal that costs less during THIS year when COVID has “forced” the teams to spend less… The owners are just taking advantage of not paying out so they can either have LESS of a loss or MORE of a lesser gain…
The Padres and Jays and even Mets seem to be smart to take advantage of the greed of the of the other owners right now…they are investing in going big now and winning instead of trying desperately to spend less because they have an easy blame
There is NO reason the Cardinals should have signed or re-signed NO ONE yet… If they have such low expectations and aspirations for profits from the organization after this year that they can’t do anything because THIS year is so bad…then they need to sell it to someone who does believe in the organization beyond the short term problems…
It is sickening to see them drag their feet on bringing back Yadi and Waino…they arent asking for much in the grand scheme of the team…and if they are considering losing them or letting them retire and think no one will care…they are wrong and it will severely damage the image of the organization to the fans and the players…
The Cardinals have spent decades building their reputation as an organization that values its long term players and does things the right way…and not always with the bottom line being the impetus… building that back up will be impossible and no excuse of COVID will make the players believe the organization actually values them beyond their dollar figure…
It is pathetic that the club hasnt done anything…i don’t care if other organizations have done little…the Cardinals are supposed to be better than that…they are supposed to BELIEVE in baseball and believe in their position as a pillar of baseball in the MLB…An organization liek the Cardinals first dumping Wong who was a vet and came through the system…plus not signing Waino and Yadi (who were two of the best players we had last year)…is a BIG hit to our image and respect
Baseball will survive COVID and 2 yrs of down attendance across the board…and of all the clubs in the MLB that should be standing up for that confidence and strength of the game should be the Cardinals
Shame on them for taking advantage of a bad situation to lose a little less or gain a little more…i dont care if it is a business or notJanuary 22, 2021 at 7:01 pm #152327
Another infielder off the board.
The Red Sox and INF/OF Enrique Hernández have agreed to a multi-year deal, per source.
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 23, 2021January 22, 2021 at 7:12 pm #152328
Todd Frazier will probably still be available on the cheap in a month. LolJanuary 22, 2021 at 7:31 pm #152329
So this must be what it feels like to be an OAK A’s fan during the offseason.January 22, 2021 at 8:15 pm #152330
Relax, it’s just baseball. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t amount to much.
Surely, you didn’t think they were going to do anything this winter. Next winter could be different, hopefully.
It’s simple; you can’t add significant payroll with no gate receipts. If the DH comes to the NL they “might” pick up a cheap “average” hitter.
Don’t punish yourself. You spent all off-season formulating all kinds of fantastic acquisitions that would have helped the Cardinals in 2021 but they were NEVER going to do any of them. Two reasons: 1. They want to look at the talent they have and 2. No gate receipts.
Let’s get excited about 2022.
Take a break and play solitaire until spring training.January 23, 2021 at 11:29 am #152364
I am not that disappointed with the lack of additions this winter. I would probably have done the same thing considering the revenue uncertainty, already having too many albatross contracts, and the NLC being pitiful. What concerns me are the departures. Letting Wong go is a big problem to me and so will losing Waino if that happens. I figured we would at least stand pat and keep what we had.
Now if there are no big additions next winter then I will lead the mutiny.
January 24, 2021 at 7:20 pm #152396
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The Nationals entered the offseason needing a first baseman, a corner outfielder, a No. 4 starter and a lefty reliever. They wound up with Bell, Schwarber, Lester and Hand for a total of $31.85 million (plus Crowe and Yean traded to PIT).
— Mark Zuckerman (@MarkZuckerman) January 25, 2021January 24, 2021 at 8:03 pm #152400January 25, 2021 at 3:33 pm #152437
Arenado (waive opt out) + Story
CMart + Carp (waives no-trade)+ Knizner + Gorman + Thompson + Bader + Oviedo + Thorres.
Is that enough? Arenado long term makes Gorman palatable, Story can leave, but we’d get a year to re-sign him. Cmart can be kept or cut loose, rotation option, Carp will be of the books and perhaps in that thin air his long flyouts become HRs, Knizner gives them a starting catcher, Bader covers that OF, Thompson and Oviedo provide higher end cheap rotation options, Thorres an upside OF bat.
That is a lot of future value and they clear a bunch of money (49.5), Cardinals clear about 32m) That’s + 17.5 for two MOTBs, then add in 2yrs of Yadi for 18m total (back load contract in agreement to the 2yr guaranteed deal, 5m 21 and 13m 22), and 1yr Waino (lower base 3m but higher and easier potential up to 10m). That adds 8m for Waino and Yadi for 21 + 17.5 for Story and Arenado total of 25.5m for 4 players. Move DeJong or Story to 2b.
Carlson, Story, Arenado, Goldy, DeJong, Yadi, Fowler, Oneill
Edman, FA-vet- C, Thomas, Sosa, Williams
Jack, Mik, Waino, Kim, Reyes/Gomber
Hicks, Gallegos, Miller, Webb, Gant, Helsley, Genesis, Ponce
bench isn’t great, but leaves room for additions or minor leaguers coming up
lineup is a beast, no excuse for lac of power
rotation and bullpen still a strength
defense is better with Story and Arenado, less concern for OF bat production and gain benefit of defense
Farm is definitely banged up…but we keep Libertore and Herrera, who seem more important, and the newest picks
Story can leave and we get compensation, or we invest in him
Arenado and Goldy are MOTB presences
Hudson returns for loss of Waino for 22, Kim loss mitigated with Gomber or Libertore
Gorman is a big chip to lose from future batting BUT Arenado’s bat isnt going anywhere nor is Gorman guaranteed to be ever as good as his..even if it drags a bitJanuary 25, 2021 at 9:56 pm #152448
You’ve done it again. I bet Mo is on the phone right now to Colorado, with Junior on the extension, and they are just working out the fine details. I’m going out tomorrow to get my Arenado Jersey. Yes! Yes! Yes!January 26, 2021 at 8:21 am #152458
Stop being condescending
It’s ugly behaviorJanuary 26, 2021 at 1:53 pm #152470
He got paid!
The Philadelphia Phillies and JT Realmuto are in agreement on a 5 year $115.5 million dollar contract. Pending physical. Per source.
— Craig Mish (@CraigMish) January 26, 2021January 26, 2021 at 1:55 pm #152471January 26, 2021 at 2:05 pm #152472
Good for Realmuto. He’s a heck of a ballplayer and probably the best catcher since prime Yadi and Posey.January 26, 2021 at 2:26 pm #152474Nigel TParticipantPaid - Three Months
So now that his market has been set. Yadi can quickly sign.January 26, 2021 at 3:23 pm #152475
MLB Off-Season Spending, by division to date:
AL East: $307M
NL East: $143M
AL Central: $124M
NL West: $98M
AL West: $83M
NL Central: $3.7M
7 teams (STL, PIT, ARI, COL, BAL, CLE) with either zero signings or only new minor league deals. 🥴
— Matt Whitener (@CheapSeatFan) January 26, 2021January 26, 2021 at 7:33 pm #152484
Lots of infielder names out there, but Wong hasn’t been prominent.
The Twins agree to a deal with SS Andrelton Simmons for one year and $10.5 million, per source. Simmons had been a Phillies target, but now Didi Gregorius could be back in play there. First on Simmons: @JeffPassan
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 27, 2021
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 26, 2021
The Giants are close to a deal with veteran infielder Tommy La Stella, per sources. He would fill a big need for the lineup, adding a left-handed bat at second and third.
— Alex Pavlovic (@PavlovicNBCS) January 27, 2021January 27, 2021 at 12:21 am #152494
Comparing spending in the NL Central to the other divisions is staggering and revealing. Wow!January 27, 2021 at 10:07 am #152517
The NLC is a joke.January 27, 2021 at 11:29 am #152526
man…several decent targets with seemingly low price tags off the board
even Simmons on a 1yr 10.5 would have been helpfulJanuary 27, 2021 at 11:52 am #152530
The ALC is currently a bigger joke by ~62mil, in total salaries committed to 2021.
I expect MIN to spend more, but overall I expect the NLC to outspend the ALC between now and opening day.January 27, 2021 at 1:14 pm #152544
How am I condescending? Maybe Mo is trying to make a last minute deal fro Arenado. We don’t know. Come on, where’s your confidence in the Front Office? You need to lighten up…it’s just baseball. It has little meaning in this world.January 27, 2021 at 5:41 pm #152558
You really think the NLC will spent 121 million between now and opening day?
I mean the Reds have said they want a SS and Didi seems their target which might be some.
But who else is even looking at adding? I think MIL might add something but probably nothing big.
Even if the cards add Waino and YAdi for let’s say 20m total. And add something lesser for 7m. That still isn’t much.
Stl maybe 30 more
MIl let’s say 20
PIT maybe 5
CIN let’s say 25
That’s only 90. 31 under still.
And that assumes the ALC doesn’t spend anymore.
I just haven’t seen any indication from any of the NLC that anyone is looking for bigger additions.January 27, 2021 at 5:54 pm #152562
jager, the offseason spending amounts is not the best indicator of who is tanking, and who is not. The ALC has about 62mil less committed to next season, than the NLC. That would rank as the 4th highest payroll in either division.
So which division is really tanking?
This offseason the CHW look like their all in right? Well, they have less committed to 2021 than we do.
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