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Don’t know who all was watching, but Mo is on broadcast talking about the difficulty of trading in the division and also nobody is “untouchable” and there’s always a return thar would make you consider trading anyone.
Translating into English for those not understanding Moglish:
With the key acquisition of Jojo and Pallante’s great day, we are now standing pat at the deadline.
I read that the As want two top prospects plus potentially an MLB player with control for Montas. For that price it’s a major major major pass for me.
Montas is generally considered to be the second best available pitcher on the trade market behind Castillo, who got traded to the Mariners. My concern with him would be health. The Cardinals might be better off going after a rental like Thor or Rodon instead of giving up so many high level prospects.
I agree with that. I really dont trust that Montas is fully healthy and i definitely dont want to overpay for him. I dont want them to overpay for Soto either as much as i would like to have him. So id rather see them go after rentals as well. I just dont have any answers at this point. A lot of guys are against soto and/or corbin.. and against montas.. then against thor.. and now lopez had a bad game.. who do they want then? lol castillo was never gonna happen within the division.. even contreras who i wanted wouldnt happen.. there isnt a lot out there after all of that… i honestly am not sold on gorman and walker plays 3b and so long as arenado opts in we wont need a 3b and i hope we arent wanting him to dh. Im fine with sending those Gorman and Walker and a couple lower prospects for soto. Id like to hang on to Winn to replace Dejong. If i remember correctly only 2 teams in the NL (dodgers and mets) have allowed fewer runs to opposing team than the cardinals. Our pitching hasnt been too bad as a whole. Not scoring runs has been a problem. I just feel Soto is a much bigger advantage for us than a Montas type would be.. 240 some battering average is weak but 20 HRs and leads MLb in walks by 20+.. his hitting would be much better when pitchers have to throw to him. So im for getting soto and then trying to get 1 or 2 rental pitchers if possible and arenado opting in.
IMO you overpay for Soto..or Ohtani… they are unique talents and their skills and value are worth goin farther than is comfortable…Trout about 3yrs ago would have been the same
Montas, Rodon, Castillo, Bieber, Plesac etc etc, and all the other options out there…not so much…
To be honest, I think they need to get a starting pitcher or two, but they may not have to be great pitchers. The Cardinals have a history and a knack for finding the right veterans at decent prices that work out well.
Just like the farms ability to continuously churn out solid pitchers, they also have knack for finding decent starters that can be impactful.
Either from the farm or from the waiver or cheap filler they seem to find them. Some of the biggest games for the Cardinals have been won by guys who arent aces
That doesn’t mean we don’t go fishing, and we need more than a Crismatt…type hopeful acquisition
High end get feels like Merrill Kelly, interesting get Paul Blackburn or Brad Keller if we are going young and a bit of upside left…the AStros might be moving one of their pitchers so maybe you can snag an urquidy if you are lucky
If we go full on vet
Rich Hill, wacha, bumgarner, grienke, pineda, gibnson, eflin, quintana
Id love to get a starting pitcher or 2 and id be fine with just that if that is exactly what we did but weve also talked about needing another bat back when we had ozuna. Ozuna walked and we got arenado. While arenado is better we still havent filled that need. Corey dickerson and pujols dont fill that need. Oneill helped last year but obviously struggling this year. Carlson isnt the budding superstar everyone hoped for. Gorman has power and potential if he can limit strikeouts but i have my doubts. The problem i see for the most part sadly is our payroll. Our payroll doesnt seem to grow like all these other teams do. I dont understand how we are supposed to compete with 260 million dollar payrolls while ours stays virtually the same each year… there is no reason we arent able to push it to 180 or 190 or even 200 million. We are destined to be a wild card team at best unless we win our weak division. And if we dont make an attempt then arenado walks. Go get 2 starting pitchers… go get soto.. go get otahni… just do something that shows we at least want to win a world series again sometime and not just ok with being a wild card team. We are 3 games out of 1st in our division. We dont really need a lot but 1 soto or 2 pitchers is a game changer for us and brewers dont seem to be making any deals. Having said that i would rather have seen cards go after boegarts and fill the SS need or murphy/contreras and fill the catcher need. Those are 3 decent to good bats that also play needed positions that make more sense than soto and his weak defense and should cost much less even if trading with cubs.
Is this a win this year team? I don’t know. But if you look at other contending teams I don’t see the one sure thing shutdown pitcher for the Cardinals and it sure won’t be Montas. Mets, Dodgers, Braves, San Diego and even the Brewers have the “dude”. Some of them have even two. Can you win the world series without an “ace”? maybe. I don’t know what the solution is for this year but until the pitching gets as close as possible elite we don’t have much of chance.
No way I give up Walker or Wynn for anybody knowing the Cardinals budget limits…..when was the last time the Cardinals even had a top shortstop prospect….Gary Templeton?
Why not give Woodford a shot…? If they aren’t going to use him, they may as well trade/release him, so he can go help another team win.
Padres To Acquire Josh Hader https://t.co/BPSRFZAc7T pic.twitter.com/PThfoWurfb
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) August 1, 2022
Angels Planning To Keep Shohei Ohtani, No Longer Listening To Offers https://t.co/RzbJJN1hOL pic.twitter.com/qHPtZPv58U
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) August 1, 2022
The #STLCards are one of @MLB’s most active teams, with a little more than 24 hours until the deadline. They’re well-positioned to land an impact starter and remain in the mix for Juan Soto. @MLBNetwork
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) August 1, 2022
If anyone better than Edman is traded for this “impact starter,” then I’ll consider that a total failure. Walker, Winn, Gorman, Carlson, Herrera and Liberatore are totally off the table for me unless it’s for Soto, and Burleson, Graceffo and Hence are super iffy too.
Trading for Hader very likely takes the Padres out of the mix that’s trying to acquire Soto. So now it’s between the Cardinals and the Dodgers. I’m going to say that the Dodgers are out of the running or the deal would have been done already. That leaves either the Cardinals now or the offseason later for a Soto trade.
I wouldn’t count the Padres out of the Soto deal yet, nor would I count out the Dodgers.
That said: The Padres didn’t give up any of the main prospects they’ve been talking about in myriad other deals. C.J. Abrams, Robert Hassell III, James Wood and Jackson Merrill all remain, as does MacKenzie Gore. Could the Padres really pull off a Juan Soto-Josh Hader double?
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) August 1, 2022
I hope the Cardinals get out of Soto and Montas and just get some rentals SP and RP. It makes way more sense to me than mortgaging the whole future for a team this year hasn’t shown many signs of life.
We are very much in it especially if we can get 1 or 2 very helpful pieces and start getting healthier again. I dont feel like trading a few guys from the farm is hurting our future.. we always have a good farm system and itll continue. However if we arent going to bother trying this year or next than why did we even get arenado? Why not trade goldy then if we are only worried about next year and moreso beyond that? I get wanting to keep gorman and carlson and walker and winn and burleson… if we are wanting them to eventually hold down on their current playing positions then all the money we are spending on arenado and goldy is absolutely pointless. We should be more in a win now situation while we have those players. Unless everyone that is against aoto is alao more than happy to see arenado walk. 2 yrs of soto may not be worth giving walker away but i do think arenados opt in and 2 yrs of soto is more than worth it
Michael Fulmer wouldn’t be an awful addition.
Syndergaard, Snell and Fulmer would make the team much better, and wouldn’t cost Walker, Herrera or Winn.
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