Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2021

Home The Cardinal Nation Forums Open Forum Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2021

Viewing 25 posts - 326 through 350 (of 354 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #155124
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I think you are correct on both jager. Both would be a fit for us but I want to make sure we save room to make a move in July.

    #155254
    thejagerthejager
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I think room usually finds its way due to injury or poor play

    We are still sitting at 39 right now and i dont think we have added Hudson to the 60day yet

    As much as Santana would be worth a shot, there are a lot of guys out there still that are at least worth a minor league deal, and i can’t imagine they want to sit for the year

    nevertheless, Odorizzi has a spot open for him right now….and his signing would make our rotation so much stronger…not to mention it would undoubtedly help the bullpen too

    Maybe they are waiting on tonight with CMArt and Mikolas sim game/side session…not that one game is the end all be all, but if they look bad or arent healthy…it definitely puts us in a bind for a dependable rotation

    Jack looked off…but there is no doubt he starts day 1
    Waino looked like Waino…he’s in
    Kim looked off…and he proved he can be valuable in the pen
    Gant looked good but is he truly an option for the rotation? showed great value in the pen
    Cmart?
    Mik?

    I’d prefer stability of Odorizzi and more pitching is never a bad thing…even a 3 yr deal would be ok as long as the per year wasnt stupid…no guarantee on Cmart back, or Kim, probably not Waino, can’t even be sure on Hudson. I’d prefer an Ace but Odorizzi is solid

    ——–
    21
    Jack
    Odorizzi
    Waino
    Mik
    Kim/CMart

    22
    Jack
    Odorizzi
    Mik
    Hudson
    Libertore/Thompson

    Take out Odorizzi from either and it gets a lot more murky

    #155258
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I think room usually finds its way due to injury or poor play

    I meant room financially. We need to keep payroll space available to make a move for down the stretch. In recent years Mo has stood pat at the deadline but maybe this is the year we make a move.

    #155259
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    #155273
    Avatarmspaid
    Participant

    Free

    I think they will go with the kids for pithcing just like the outfield. I don’t see them adding Odirizzi or anyone else. If Martinez or Mikolas can’t cut it because of health or poor performance they have DeLeon, Gant, Helsey, Reyes, Cabrarra, etc. They’ll us those and I’d be surprised if they make any humdinger move at the deadline. The rotation and the bullpen are somewhere on the current roster.

    #155323
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    #155325
    AvatarUncleDenny
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Don’t like deadline deals. Usually you have to overpay in talent while now there were good players available without depleting the farm.

    #155329
    thejagerthejager
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Santana was a minor league deal.

    Are we that confident that we can’t afford a minor league deal to a guy who was legit before his injury last year. And can play multiple positions.

    #155340
    AvatarUncleDenny
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Agree. I thought Santana would have been excellent protection in case young hitters never come around or in case of injuries.

    #155437
    thejagerthejager
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    To be honest I’d be offering up minor league deals all over the place right now.

    Cespedes
    Bonafacio
    Gyorko
    Sean Rodriguez
    MOrrison
    Cozart
    Descalso
    Reddick
    Puig

    Hamels
    Leake
    Samardjza
    Sanchez
    Cahill
    Godley

    Some of these guys i don’t think are ready to be done, and with the unknowns in our OF, 2b, and Rotation there are some real opportunities if you perform

    Not to mention that the Taxi squad and undoubted COVID cases will make any player outside of the 40mans very valuable to many teams, so even if you take a minor league deal and stay ready with one club doesn’t mean you would stay with them the whole year as people get shifted on and off 40mans to get through the season

    I am not saying every remaining FA will take a minor league deal, but i’d have to imagine a few will

    #155551
    MrperkinsMrperkins
    Participant

    Free

    I read an article from the herald-tribune (still don’t know where it’s from) from last August interviewing Scooter Gennett. He is working his own farm now but didn’t rule out a return to baseball. That’s one guy I wouldn’t mind the cards inviting to camp next year when Carp is finally off the roster.

    #155552
    grayssportsalmanaccgrayssportsalmanacc
    Participant

    Free

    carp def blocking alot of people with his pricetag, but id love the see cozart at 2b…perkins what happened to the old avatar?

    #155775
    MrperkinsMrperkins
    Participant

    Free

    Better, Gray? Not exact image but close

    #155778
    MrperkinsMrperkins
    Participant

    Free

    But where is YOUR image of that kid/guy who I always thought kind of looked like Michael J Fox with his copy of the almanac?

    #156714
    stlcard25stlcard25
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Lindor is off the market for this coming offseason. The good news is that will make Conforto harder to fit into the budget, and if he does, Nimmo may be on the block.

    #156772
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Conforto would be perfect for the Cardinals. If I could make a wish list for the the next offseason it would be:

    1. New CBA without a work stoppage.
    2. Cards sign Conforto.
    3. Cards sign Scherzer.

    #156822
    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I second that motion gs

    #156824
    stlcard25stlcard25
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I’m starting to think that signing a good starter would be a smart play too, gscottar. Scherzer might be a fine choice, as well.

    #156861
    Avatarblingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Puig is still unemployed, tainted though he may be.

    #157049
    thejagerthejager
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    team needs a bat and an arm

    I like a Scherzer trade on the sooner side if the Nats will listen

    As for a bat…tough call, to me it comes down to contact over HRs etc. If the guy is a bit older doesn’t bother me as long as the contract is short enough and the price low enough

    ala

    David Peralta
    Whit Merrifeld

    If we want to go biggest long term upside, but is a swing and miss darling….well:

    Joey Gallo

    If we want a free agent at the end of the year and not worry longer term

    Starling Marte

    -I prefer the versatility, contact, speed, enough power and leadoff skills of Merrifield, but he is probably the most expensive in terms of what it will take to get him

    -Peralta’s bat has just enough pop and he makes good contact and plays well in the OF still, seems available and ARZ has a big hill to climb to get out of that division

    -Gallo is a great OFer big arm, and loads of power, and strikeouts, but enough walks, and he is young. Probably will take a bit more to get him though…but i haev to imagine a young good SP and more might be enough

    -Marte, makes contact, good power, still can play OF well, still has speed. Nice versatile hitter who
    will not hurt us in the OF or where we hit him. Expensive contract but we’d only pay prorated and maybe could get a deal on that depending on our prospects going the other way… MIA knows our players from being so close in ST.

    -Scherzer….not sure what it takes to get him, but he is what we lack and even prorated his salary after a trade will be hefty…if WAS wants to save some money the sooner they deal the better

    Scherzer plus Marte let’s us compete now and gives us something to think about in the offseason about bringing them back

    Peralta or Merrifield are a 2-3yr cost effective solution

    Gallo is an investment, and you take the .200 average if you get those 40 HRs and good defense. gmable, but big upside

    Only other guy i’d throw out for giggles is Haniger form the M’s. He has missed time with freak injuries, but was a solid player before and if healthy is still probably solid. He was older when he came up so he is already older. I wonder if he is available as they make room for Kellenic and Rodriguez

    Regardless, it will cost youth to get these fixes, but to take max worth out of the Goldy and Arenado deals we have to win NOW

    We can afford to lose some youth pitching IMO as we create it pretty consistently. Creating Ace’s is tougher as we seem better at 2-3 types and 5-6 types.

    It’s a big ask to bring in two major contributors, but it is what the team lacks, and we knew it coming in.

    Scherzer is a rental, which paves the way for a future deal. Marte could be the same Or if yo uwant more value for your youth lost, then the limited but high value of Peralta or Merrifield shoudl give you at least 2 years of solid production at discount pricing. If you want Bader’s average and glove, but with 40HR’s for a few years well Gallo is your man.

    #157056
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Jager, I was thinking of offseason moves. I don’t think Conforto or Scherzer would be available during the season unless the Mets and Nats collapse.

    As for in-season moves then yes I agree guys like Gallo, Peralta, and Marte should be available because those three teams probably aren’t contenders. Not sure what pitchers would be available in-season.

    #157131
    thejagerthejager
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    You are probably right about in-season for Scherzer or Conforto…though i do think saving SOME money for the Nats is a real thing and perhaps they move him earlier just to save some money. It’s a tough call because he is gone after the season for him, they undoubtedly get a compensation pick, but i think they’d want to capitalize on him in season for a trade even in a chance for the playoffs for them. As long as Stras is healthy IMO.

    Conforto is similar, but i think they might re-sign him

    As for in-season batters…the ones i listed are my options which i think are all MAJOR upgrades to the offense

    As for pitchers, it’s always tougher… but i think you look to COL and German Marquez, i like Matt Boyd and DET is still building, maybe Quintana or Heaney from LAA

    but there really isnt a Scherzer type available IMO, unless we look at the Reds and with them being in the division I don’t see it happening…Gray or Castillo would be great fits IMO….

    Maybe inquire on Montas from OAK?

    #157543
    AvatarCardsFanInChiTown
    Participant

    Free

    Any idea or media stories regarding how Arenado feels about Story or Blackmon? Pretty obvious of my thinking on that..

    #157889
    thejagerthejager
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I would be all for both or either of them, Blackmon is a bit too old for a long term fix, but so what at this point?

    Story is a rental, but maybe we could get him to sign?

    Maybe if we move DeJong in another deal it would free up a little money?

    At this point, I am all for changes.

    Bring in Story for a big prospect, and commit the money to re-signing him. Or just hope you can win it with him here.

    Personally, I’d be all over whatever is available in the FA market.

    -Puig…so what if he is a hothead…if he can still hit .200 with 20 HRs sign him up

    -Porcello or Samardjia just for something stabilizing

    -Sean Rodriguez, super utility, always seemed to be a Cardinal killer

    Point is…bring them in and see if they work, we can’t offer big money, but we CAN offer opportunity…not every team can say that

    Minor league deals, maybe with appearance bonuses, and give them a shot. IF they fail, then we are right back where we were.

    Puig and Porcello could walk into Starting roles as soon as they show they are fit, if they do well, they’d be basically guaranteeing future money. If they fail, they lose another year of work and become forgotten quicker

    I think both want to play more, we can give them that chance. And if they do well, the Cardinals are wlel known for rewarding that

    #157959
    Avatargscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Reddick is off the board.

Viewing 25 posts - 326 through 350 (of 354 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

First-hand news and commentary on the St. Louis Cardinals™ and minor league system for over 20 years