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My feelings toward CMart needing to be traded have less than zero to do with his in the stadium antics, it has 100% to do with his off field lifestyle. >
CFICT you may not be aware that he has a lot of charitable efforts off field. He ran the Pujols charity golf tournament this year and he wears that pink trimmed glove for a little girl with cancer that he has brought to Busch for a meeting and game. I imagine he does off field stuff that a lot of young studs do when they have a pile of money but he is a figure present in St Louis and his home country charity work also. The on field stuff is no better or worse than what some of his teammates do. But I think he should be traded because he has some value and looking at all the heat stuff he adds to his shoulder (and that seeps through his uniform) I suspect he still has shoulder problems. I don’t have an answer as to who should replace him but there is time to develop a closer such as Gallegos, Helmsley, Miller to hold the fort until Hicks returns. If he is not traded I am okay with that but I do believe that Yadi is truly his major support system on which he depends. JMHO
PS: Thanks to all of you who had nice words for my friend with cancer. It is very much appreciated.
MM3, first off, sorry to hear about your friend. I just went back and read all of the posts and sincere sympathy to you and the family and friends.
Regarding CMart, the off field issues are much more severe than “normal young rich stud behavior”. After the Oscar passing, it got even worse. I’m sure the Cardinals know the severity, and I hope other potential trade partners do not.
As far as a replacement closer for CMart, we already have Junior Fernandez. The only boxes he doesn’t check are time in the majors or late inning work in the majors. He has proven his value in the minors.
This Edman guy is pretty good and has made a few nice plays at 2B…. he’s always in Goldys ear too watching on TV, either they are very good buddies or he’s that annoying little brother?
I wouldn’t trade Carlos as long as Hicks is out.
My proposed trade was for Brad Hand. He is one of the best relievers in the game.
After watching what happened to Kimbrel and the Cubs over the weekend, I think it’s practically insane to trade CMart with no proven reliever to replace him.
My proposed trade was for Brad Hand. He is one of the best relievers in the game.
Hand is fantastic, but as we have seen with Cecil and Holland the last couple years and Kimbrel for our hated enemy, a reliever can hit a wall quickly. At age 30, Hand is about at that age, which is scary.
If I was trading for a reliever, I still think that Edwin Diaz might be my main target. He had a rough season under the lights of the NY media but everything about him screams “bounce back” for next year. O’Neill and a lower prospect…would that do it?
I’m 100% NOT against getting Brad Hand with Hicks out, however I don’t think the Indians match up well to meet the value of CMart in a simple 1-1 or 2-1 trade. They aren’t trading Nolan Jones and they don’t have any other prospects or mid level players that the Cards would want to balance out the deal.
The Indians need OF’s and warm bodies in general…. I’m sold on Lane Thomas and Arozarena (maybeCarlson for a few years) in CF so to me Bader is completely replaceable and there could be an argument made that he should be with the less than .700 OPS. His defense is without a shadow of a doubt some of the best I’ve watched, but the BA/OBP/OPS numbers leave a lot to be desired.
This won’t happen and I think the Padres match up much better, but if Mo decides to make big moves for a true blockbuster or two, keep in mind the name of this thread starts with “Trade Ideas”…..
Cards get Lindor ($17M? in 2020 $24M? in 2021) and Hand (7.6M in 20 and 10M in 21) – Take on $25M
Indians get CMart, Bader, Adolis Garcia (Puig light) and Woodford – Cards Shed $12MCards get Lindor ($17M? in 2020 $24M? in 2021) and Hand (7.6M in 20 and 10M in 21) – Take on $25M
Indians get CMart, Bader, Adolis Garcia (Puig light) and Woodford – Cards Shed $12MI would do that deal in a heartbeat but I doubt the Indians would. We would be getting two of their best players for one established pitcher with shoulder question marks, a defensive OF who hasn’t proven he can hit, and two prospects who may or may not be big leaguers. I think it would take much more than that to get Lindor and Hand.
I also don’t see a reason for the Indians to trade Hand. Although, I am onboard with getting him, if the cost isn’t too high.
The Indians might take that deal if we add Dejung to the package. But the Cards would be giving up 6, reasonably priced, years of Dejung for only 2 years of Lindor. BTW, Lindor’s WAR for 2019 is 5.0, and Dejung’s WAR is 4.1.
Then consider that Lindor’s WAR for the last 5 years are 4.6, 5.9, 5.5, 7.9 and 5.0. AND he is 3 months YOUNGER than DeJong. The only thing DeJong has over Lindor is that he has a cheap contract.
So much depends on the arms of Hicks and Reyes.
Yep, we could have a potentially elite closer and front line starter out of those two…or next to nothing. I have more confidence in Hicks right now, but Reyes certainly still has the higher ceiling in my mind.
Assuming Ozuna leaves I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cards taking a shot at Nick Castellanos as his replacement. I would think their upcoming contracts would be similar. Ozuna is 28, Castellanos is 27. Ozuna has a little more power while Castellanos will hit for a higher average and is a doubles machine. I think he has 58 this year. Both are subpar defensively. The tie breaker could be that Ozuna has draft pick compensation attached to him and Castellanos doesn’t.
Castellanos is represented by the dreaded Scott Boras, which I imagine would be a deal breaker for Brian. :o)
Assuming Ozuna leaves I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cards taking a shot at Nick Castellanos as his replacement.
Castellanos is a very bad defender. Like, maybe worse than Jose Martinez bad. He’s at -37 DRS in the OF in his three years there, and a -12.2 UZR/150. So those numbers line up fairly well. Jmart is at -21 DRS the last three years and -10.4 UZR/150 in the OF. I don’t think I could stomach the clown show any more than we already have out there.
Castellanos should go back to the AL and DH.
Agree on not wanting Castellanos in the field. He makes Ozuna look good. Not sure I can say that about Jose Martinez, though. 😉
I have no issue with Boras clients – at least ones that can play decent defense. As far as I know, Wieters is the only Cardinal he represents. Worth noting that both Fowler and Ozuna fired Boras and got different agents. And I had nothing to do with it.
Worth noting that both Fowler and Ozuna fired Boras and got different agents. And I had nothing to do with it.
…As far as we know. 😉
Yes I knew Castellanos was bad defensively. I mentioned it. I didn’t know he was that bad though. If so, then I stand corrected. I don’t want another JMart either although Ozuna is not exactly smooth in LF himself.
Why do I have the feeling our starting LF next opening day is going to be Tommy Edman?
although Ozuna is not exactly smooth in LF himself.
What makes you think that??
— Bryan Kephart (@thundercrat) April 10, 2019
Would you sign David Price for 3 years @ $20M per year?
His stats haven’t been that great in Boston, but he got off to a rough start with their media, fans, etc in his first year there and in a Midwest environment he would likely do better. His FIP hasn’t been all that bad in his time in Boston. He’s owed 32M per year for the next three, they have announced they want to get under the $208M luxury tax and that could save them $22M right there. It wouldn’t likely need to be a solid prospect package to do that. If JD Martinez leaves, could JMart be of interest? He would kill it in that park!
Boston gets: JMart (2M) and Gant (2M)
Cards get: Price and $10 per yearCards spend an extra $18M per year (22-2-2)
Boston saves $18M (32-10-2-2) and get JMart to replace JDMart at over $20M savings (assuming he opts out)gscott… I thought about Edman in LF also. Can he hit 29 HRs to replace Ozuna’s? His others talents would make him more valuable. I’ll bet we see Edman getting a lot of work in LF over the winter and at spring training. He’s a natural so I believe we could have our LF going forward.
Things might change (trade, Ozuna back etc.) I feel comfortable with Edman anywhere he plays.
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