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    Brian Walton
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    New year, new thread. I am hoping this one will allow us to go directly to the current post. (10/16 update: The magic line appears to be 1000 posts or 40 pages.)

    A quick reminder of what this thread is about.

    If you have an idea for a trade or acquisition target for the Cardinals, this is the ideal place to discuss it. Same if you want to talk about a player in another organization or a free agent.

    On the other hand, we generally start new individual threads when a major media source connects the Cardinals with a particular player. At times, the moderators will merge new threads into this one if they are deemed to best fit here based on the preceding criteria.

    #79042
    Brian Walton
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    Yankees putting the pressure on Machado.

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    I still cant believe the Yankees are going to pay Gregorius $12.5mm for half a season or less. That is basically $25 million per for a SS coming off TJ surgery. They’ll ger a draft pick at the end worth a few million but it still seems highly risky and not a sound business decision.

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    Maybe they think they can re-sign him. That would seem to be out the window if they release him now. We also have no idea if they have insurance on his contract. If they do, they would forfeit the insurance payment with a release. There are sometimes more details that we cannot see.

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    Not sure how they could have insurance on a contract that hasn’t been signed yet. If they had released him (not offered arb) he most likely would have signed a one year contract somewhere (for much less) and then became a FA. I would guess the Yankees would have as good of chance as anyone to sign him as a FA.

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    I don’t know how the insurance works, but the player was always under team control. There may be some kind of coverage for pre-arb and arb players during the off-seasons like if they were hurt playing basketball, for example. But this is just a guess.

    This is probably more likely than the insurance scenario. If he wasn’t offered arb, he would have to sign for much less elsewhere in 2019. If I was him, and was happy where I am, that loss of income and disruption would make me unhappy with the Yankees being cheap and maybe I would be less inclined to return there in 2020. But that is just me.

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    I think they really want to keep Didi long term and they probably figure this is the best way to go about it.

    The Tulo/Machado thing is interesting though.

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    Any chance the Cardinals would pursue Adam Ottavino? I feel adding him would really strengthen the bull pen. I am just not sure his asking price is within the team’s budget.

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    Seems like almost everyone is balking at 10yrs for Harper (save maybe the PHI and CWS)

    I know it seems the FO’s desire to not go that long, but with that report is it worth going for 10yrs NOW if that is what he really wants…maybe with a more team friendly contract even if structured better to give him those 10 yrs?

    I think the FO wants the fans and the world to think we are done, and we might be, BUT they said the same thing last year and then made moves right up to the end (for better or worse…Holland)

    Harper + another pen arm seem like the missing pieces to me for this team to be truly competitive with the best the MLB has to offer

    I could handle a bench of Pena, Gyorko, JMart, Oneill/Munoz, but I still think we can move JMart or Gyorko for at least good-ish prospects and still be fine. Id prefer Gyorko to be gone as he is more expensive and JMart seems a better pinch hitting fit, with Munoz able to handle SS better and fulfill the super UTIL role with Robinson in wait…BUT i think JMArt probably brings more back

    so JMart to the Rays for at least one good prospect or two decent ones…getting a deal for Lowe or McCarthy would be great IMO, so adding in a bullpen piece or prospect to make the very good prospect deal happen would be worth it to me

    then add Sergio Romo to the pen, in the Bud Norris type out of nowhere type signing….he closed well for the Rays last year and even did the “opener” role too…he is old but his wipe out slider to righties still plays….he wont be too expensive but would be a nice addition to the pen…im not sure he only gets a spring training invite

    then go the 10yrs on Harper…maybe for a reduced rate? But even if not get him

    Jmart + Mayers
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    McCarthy (LH OF)

    Harper 10yrs 325m

    Romo 1yr 2m

    go with:
    CMart, Jack, Mik, Wacha, Waino….Hudson/Reyes/Gomber etc
    Miller, Romo, Hicks, Leone, Brebbia, Cecil, Gant, Gregerson
    Carp,DeJong,Harper,Goldy,Ozuna,Yadi,Wong,Bader
    Fowler,ONeill,Gyorko,Pena

    but
    See if you can find a deal for Gyorko too…Gyorko as the backup SS is not desirable at all, even in a once a week type of thing..maybe SF would still listen on Will Smith, both have expiring contracts at the end of the year, Gyorko can play 1b or Longoria might move over if they are not sold on Belt…+ Gyorko is a good bench guy no matter…add in an Arozarena or AdGarcia if they want an OFer…consider an Oneill trade if they want to get bigger….maybe a Will Smith + Bumgarner deal…

    Will Smith + Bumgarner
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    ONeill + Helsley + Gant (probably a lot more)

    That gives up a lot of control for 1 yr of Will Smith and Bumgarner… But…a 1yr addition of Bumgarner and Will Smith puts this team (even with the earlier additions) from a competitive team to a favorite

    Losing ONeill is ok in a Harper Cardinals world where Fowler also remains…even if Ozuna leaves…in the next offseason we have some big decisions to make… BUT they will be performance based undoubtedly and negotiating can be done all year

    Losing Helsley and Gant are tough, but survivable

    Will Smith, Goldy, Carp, Ozuna, Bumgarner, Wacha, lots of work to be decided in the offseason next year if we went that way… BUt you’d probably have a VERY successful 2019 to hitch your post too as a selling point as well as a star in Harper in RF and HOFer at catcher keeping you relevant nationally…

    Also if everything went sideways even with them all in tow then you can wipe your hands and start fresh with only one huge contract to deal with ong term

    it’s my first post of 2019 so i went long… been a long holiday season

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    Jager, I wish you worked in our FO. You would make Dipoto seem boring.

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    +1, Scott. I enjoy reading all of the crazy trade scenarios.

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    In our Monday Blast from the Past feature as part of the weekly St. Louis recap, just this week crdswmn wrote about Trader Lane.

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    Jag, long is relative. For you that was not long!

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    Harper + another pen arm seem like the missing pieces to me for this team to be truly competitive with the best the MLB has to offer

    Adding Harper adds another $30M to our payroll barring any other changes. That would push the Cards payroll to about $190.0M and with the *benefits* addition of about $16.0M, they would be sitting right on the $206M limit for the luxury tax.

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    Similar to Miller.

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    I would have loved to have had Robertson on that deal but it probably would have taken more for us to get him off the East Coast

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    Bob Reed, what did you think of the Kikuchi contract. Would you have been happy at that price (or maybe a million a year more to get him off the West coast)
    At that price he was a little outside my comfort zone.

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    thanks everyone…good to be back..

    i am working on my long posts…whether i achieve or not remains to be seen

    I dunno…i think there are moves still to be made, and signings as well

    Harper’s paycheck would definitely put us in a danger realm for luxury tax…but i think it could be done…especially i you could move Gyorko even for salary relief …Cecil Greger and Fowler arent going anywhere…even for no return so we cant really move them…but having said that…after 2019…everything gets cheaper

    for me…i like Harper enough to make it work…but if not, i still think you can make a move that would help

    and i return once again to Haniger and SEA…Dipoto is a dealer…and whiel he has been posturing no move for Haniger…he could offer Encarnacion up to someone like the Rays or Astros for some prospects… then take on JMArt and some good prospects for us to take Haniger and eat Felix

    I still think taking on Felix’s practically dead money has a lot of value, and we could swing it…getting Haniger is nice move and might free us up to moving ONeill for the right return if we wanted

    Haniger is right in his prime and is solid in all aspects of the game, he is cheap and productive and whiel not super young he has a solid run of premium play lined up before he gets too old

    a 2020 OF Haniger ONeill and Bader with Fowler hanging around is pretty nice and cheap and potentially impactful

    then use the 2020 money saved from all the guys leaving to sign who we want or re-sign…a Goldy extension or maybe an Arenado signing…whatever

    anyways…

    too many good FAs still out there…too many worried players and agents right now…

    a stealthy Romo signing i think would be very in line with Cardinals moves in the past at least

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    I think they should get Strickland. The way the market for relievers is going he might be had on a minor league deal. Or in a bigger deal get Britton for 3 years with a vesting option.

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    I think Strickland will be good value for someone. If it is a minor league deal, better yet.

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    a stealthy Romo signing i think would be very in line with Cardinals moves in the past at least

    Romo could challenge Gregerson and Wainwright for the slowest fastball in all of baseball!

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    If he throws after hicks and co. we’ll call his fastball a killer changeup!

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    For me, I could care less about the speed of the fastball (unless that is their only pitch) as long as he gets outs in critical spots and his slider is working like it does against righties

    he was pretty darned effective in every role he had last year for a better than most thought Rays team

    I agree Strickland is a good look as well, though a Minor league deal and STI seems a bit too hopeful

    someone else mentioned Herrera getting little attention..he could be sneaky too

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    Rockies looking at Dozier on a short term deal for 2B.

    Gyorko for SS Garrett Hampson.

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    i think that is overvaluing Gyorko a lot and undervaluing Hampson a lot

    but id be happy with seeing what we could get from the Rox…or goign after Hampson and offering more

    maybe they have soured on Ryan McMahon? and we offer Gyorko and a young pitcher for him

    he doesnt quite fit with us at 1b or 3b but he protects us from 3b/1b injury

    i dunno..

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