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I don’t be happy with Rendon at 3b and Edman and crew in LF
With how well Edman has played I think with an off-season of practice in LF I think he’d be better.
I’ll take the replacement of Ozuna stats to be Rendon and Edman to replace the production of Carp
Edman would be a plus bat at 2B, and seems to play great D there. Why is anyone suggesting him in the OF or 3B?
<CardsFanInChiTown wrote:
Edman would be a plus bat at 2B, and seems to play great D there. Why is anyone suggesting him in the OF or 3B? >
So this means you would have Wong sit – that same Wong who is batting .288? The same Wong is an odds on favorite to win a Gold Glove? Edman has excelled at 3B and RF this season and done well also at 2B but I have seen a couple of hits in the 2B direction that I think Wong could have handled easier.
It was only a short time ago that a poster or two were saying that while Edman is a flash in the pan he should be a utility player only and let the great MCarp handle 3B. Haven’t heard that plea much lately.
Remind anyone of Harper last year? Opening bid made.
Nationals offer Anthony Rendon seven-year deal worth $210 million-$215 million https://t.co/UEihswavRd
— Post Sports (@PostSports) September 30, 2019
Next year, Edman should not be the regular starter at any position except 2B or SS. (or CF, if he proves he is a capable defensive OF in spring training.)
<forsch31 wrote:
Next year, Edman should not be the regular starter at any position except 2B or SS. (or CF, if he proves he is a capable defensive OF in spring training.)>
So says the President of the Matt Carpenter fan club. Now it is Wong or DeJong who must sit in order for our best ‘hit-into-shift or strike out’ hitter to find a home. Somehow, I don’t think that is gonna happen but Tommy might just prove to be the ‘rover’ but play almost everyday and occupy #2 in the batting order.
MM3, Wong and DeJong do not have no trade clauses. Are you entirely ruling out the fact that they wouldn’t consider offers on both?
Selling high on Wong and having the extra 10M of flexibility and by doing so, you put Edman in a spot where his bat is definitely a plus and his glove looks good there would be nice situation to be in.
I personally hope the 2020 starting 3B is not on the current roster. The exception to that is that it turns out to be DeJong, which means they traded for Lindor! (we can dream)
<CardsFanInChiTown wrote:
MM3, Wong and DeJong do not have no trade clauses. Are you entirely ruling out the fact that they wouldn’t consider offers on both? >
Yes I am ruling that out. Why would a team striving to get into the playoffs sell off two of their most valuable assets after taking years to develop them. I don’t get why people think that the Cardinals should just be an AAAA club that develops players for other teams. The fascination with Lindor reminds me of what the Cubs have in the way of pitching now – nothing they have developed and all of them going over the hill. So now they have to buy some pitching. I am not anxious to see the Cards have to buy position players when their farm system develops them pretty well. JMHO
The Cardinals have the following very solid starting possibilities for 2020 and if you can use the extra pieces to fill the other holes then I support doing so…
Catcher – 1
1B – 1
2B – 2
SS – 1
3B – 0
OF – 6 (Fowler, Bader, O’neill, JMart, Thomas, Arozarena and one spot needs to stay somewhat open for Carlson)
#1 SP – 1
#2/#3 SP – 0
#4/#5 SP – More than enoughWe need a consistent bat in the middle, a bat that is less streaky
that is Rendon
Rendon is the only real game changer in FA position players
and that is what we need to be adding, not marginal upgrades if we go into free agencythis costs a lot of money
If we can’t get Rendon, then target a premiere starter…Cole, Strasburg
this costs a lot of money
If we are going to spend a lot of money I’d rather it be on a guy that plays every day, than one that plays every 5th day…i say that now because Jack looks to be legit #1 with his year and how he put the team on his back in that last game…that is Carpenter, Waino level leadership and ability we havent seen from any other pitchers we have produced
Boring but not necessarily probable even if easy to assume:
-re-sign Waino
-QO Ozuna…he leaves, get pick
-Cmart to rotation
-re-sign Cingrani to injury return type of ST deal
-sign best lefty reliever we can get on 1yr deal (Pomeranz?)
-let the kids playJack, Hud, Mik, CMart, Waino…Ponce, Woodford
Hicks, Gallegos, Gant, Brebbia, Webb, Helsley, Genesis, Junior
Fowler, Wong, Goldy, DeJong, Carlson, Yadi, Edman, Bader
Knizner, JMart, Oneill, Munoz, RandyBig moves route simplified:
-sign Rendon 8yrs 240m (yeah he will get old by the end, but we will probably have the DH by then)
-trade ONeill + Woodford + Montero + Munoz for Mike Minor + Kiner-Falefa (super util catcher)
-re-sign Waino to same incentive deal
-keep CMart in the penBig moves route complicated:
-sign Rendon
-re-sign Waino
-trade ONeill + Bader + JMart + Ponce + Woodford for Duffy + Merrifield
-trade Fowler to SF for mostly salary relief, lottery ticket+ see if they have a youngish lefty RP
-keep CMart in penBig moves route simpl-ish:
-sign Strasburg or Cole 8yrs 250mil (it’s a lot…it takes a lot to get premiere players)
-trade Cmart + ONeill + Woodford + Montero for Mookie Betts
-re-sign WainoLots of moves (no big names) complicated:
-trade Justin Williams/AdGarcia/Randy + Montero + Sosa for Matt Boyd(SP)
-trade AdGarcia/JWill/Randy + Woodford + Seijas for Brian Anderson(LF/3b)
-re-sign Waino
-Cmart stays in pen
-trade ONeill/Bader + JMart + Herrera + Helsley for Merrifield
-trade Fowler to SF for decent prospect, but we eat a lot of the salary ..target leftiesi like the sneaky upgrades the last option could make:
-Anderson is pretty sneaky all around player, a little old but still cheap, plays good defense and has good offense, can [play corner OF and good 3b…probably have to pay up a bit for his cheapness, but the Marlins are sitting on another guy that is useless to them while they rebuild
-Merrifield is obvious, and sets table, good power, super utility and cheap…have to overpay, but as long as it isn’t Carlson Gorman or Knizner I am fine with it
-Boyd was good on a bad team that has no use for him as they rebuild, Tigers need young hitters. he upgrades our rotation and isnt expensiveMerrifield (LF), Wong, Anderson(RF), Goldy, DeJong, Yadi, Edman (3b), Bader (CF)
Randy, Carp, Knizner, Munoz, Ravelo
Jack, Hud, Mik, Boyd, Waino….POnce, Gomber, Reyes
Cmart, Hicks, Miller, Gant, Brebbia, Gallegos, Genesis, Junior…..Webbvery athletic team an fast team…very good defensive team, we add two guys who hit well and defend well and also can play all over. Carp will get ABs…we have plenty of rotational value to move players around to fit the game. strong relievers, bench is good if young and has space to move people up and down. Plenty of upside for offense with players. Any position/player that may stumble or get hurt is easily replaceable by a capable if not potential higher value (save perhaps SS, depending on how you value Edman’s bat). rotation is solid, and under the radar good
It wouldn’t be expensive except in terms of prospects given up. BUT with the players we have invested in, there is not a lot that would be needed from the minors.
im babbling as usual…
gonna be a fun offseason to hypothesize
I dont think you are getting Boyd for only 1 barely top 100 prospect (Montero) with no other definite major league talent also in the deal.
I dont think you are getting Boyd for only 1 barely top 100 prospect (Montero) with no other definite major league talent also in the deal.
Yet if he costs more than that, he’s most assuredly not worth it. He’ll be 29 next year and hasn’t been that impressive even playing in a division with weak teams. No way would I include Gorman or Carlson in a deal for a guy with a career ERA approaching 5.
I’ve been preaching for Matt Boyd for at least a month or so now. He had a great 1st half and a not so great 2nd half. In my opinion, being on a losing team in a situation where winning doesn’t matter as much you can’t be as focused as if you were in a race on a winning team. That last part is open to criticism, but I will never believe it.
A package along the lines of O’neill, Woodford and Adolis Garcia, which I would do in a heart beat, should get it done. They need any and all of the decent bats they can get, I would even throw in JMart(they have Cabrera at DH but could very easily find a spot at 1B or COF for JMart). A silver lining for the Cards would be to free up a 40 man spot or two as well and get it done sooner rather than later and not worry about having to play the traded guys very often.
A rotation starting with Flaherty and Boyd looks a lot better than they have right now, and they wouldn’t be giving up pieces that would play a major role anyway, especially after Carlson is up in late April. I just wish the deal would have been made on or around 7/31/19!
No Cards baseball tonight question: I was looking up Brian Anderson per Jagers post (not in favor of trading for him) and Bernard Gilkey came up as a “similarity”, so out of boredom…
Question #1: What was Bernard Gilkey’s actual first name? Don’t look!!
A) Luther
B) Raymond
C) OtisQuestion #2: How many HR’s did Gilkey hit in his 6 years while playing for the Cardinals?
A) Less than 50
B) Between 50-70
C) More than 70Minuteman, are you aware that Lindor is younger than both Wong and DeJong? We would not be getting older by acquiring him. Just getting better.
The BP is a strength going into 2020, and I can’t recall a Cardinal fan that could say those words in my memory. However, there are always way to improve.
My CMart and Ponce trade idea for Yates, Luis Pitino and Morejon seems to be even more plausible after their owners media comments on Monday. Secondly, if I were a GM, I would trade high on Gant, he was over used in the early 3 months which caused him to break down, and as we all know, RP’s can have a very short dominant shelf life.
An extra lefty would never hurt a BP, and an ex SF Giant might be the best option available, and his name isn’t Will Smith.
Drew Pomeranz (if he commits to being a reliever) with his 1.88 ERA and 15.7 K/9 or .837 WHIP could look like a steal like Andrew Miller back when he was converted. 2nd Giants option would be Tony Watson, which is assuming he will decline his player option unless he’s hurt more than advertised.
Yates, Gallegos, Miller, Pomeranz, Brebbia, Fernandez, Webb, Helsley with Hicks and Whitley being possibilities later, could look like a reasonably expensed BP that doesn’t have a weak link….
<forsch31 wrote:
Minuteman, are you aware that Lindor is younger than both Wong and DeJong? We would not be getting older by acquiring him. Just getting better.>
We know exactly what we have in Wong and DeJong. Wong is now living up to what we hoped and DeJong is well on his way but does have some dead spots in his hitting. But I am not one who ‘assumes’ anything on trades and I am not in favor of dumping a known quantity for a ‘hopefully good’ quantity. How many big trades in MLB actually work out – especially when big bucks are involved. My opinion – Not many.
We do know what we have in Wong and DeJong. We can also see that Lindor has an AVERAGE WAR over the last 5 years of 5.7, and he is younger than either of them. Wong has his best year in WAR this year at 4.7. DeJong had his best year of WAR this year at 4.1. Lindor’s worst year was his rookie year at 4.6. Lindor had a “down” year this year at 4.7.
Wong is a very good player, DeJong is a slightly above average player IMO but over rated. Lindor is an elite elite player. He is in a totally different category than the other two.
No Cards baseball tonight question: I was looking up Brian Anderson per Jagers post (not in favor of trading for him) and Bernard Gilkey came up as a “similarity”,
Gilkey was a very good player. I have also seen some comparing Arozarena to him. That would be great if Arozarena turned out to be that good.
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