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Baseball Reference says Ravelo exceeded rookie limits during 2020 season. Can a player that is not a rookie still be a prospect?
Unless it was the service time calculator, Ravelo did not reach 130 plate appearances for his career this year. Bccran chose Knizner, Ravelo and Woodford as eligible and Carlson and Cabrera as not. We are abiding by those rules as we move down the countdown.
Andrew KniznerVoted #7
Johan OviedoVoted #8
Kodi WhitleyVoted #15
Junior FernandezVoted #16
Jake WoodfordVoted #17
Rangel Ravelo
Edmundo Sosa
Justin Williams
Seth Elledge
John NogowskiNOT Eligible:
Dylan Carlson
Genesis CabreraThanks, 25. I wanted to leave Ravelo on there mainly to see what people think of him. He was the most reliable bat in the Memphis lineup in 2019.
18. Edmundo Sosa. A decent bat with solid contact skills, if he can make the power from his 2019 campaign stick, this may be far too low for him. As is, he’s probably a backup middle infielder. That has value.
19. Mateo Gil. Sticking with the young shortstops, I think he could surprise people by taking a big step forward. He’s entering his age 20 season, played well at Johnson City last year and is off to a good start in Mexican winter ball this year. He may be top 10 next year with a good 2021, probably at Palm Beach or perhaps Peoria if they want to push him.
20. Luken Baker. He had a hot end of 2019 at Palm Beach that could be a harbinger of things to come. Having the DH come to the NL would be huge for him in terms of having a future with St Louis. The power could be tremendous, with maybe only Gorman and Walker having a higher ceiling of putting balls over the Busch Stadium fence in years to come.
Edmundo Sosa is by far the best player left. An mlb-ready ss with developing power should be a top 10 prospect on any list. I know there are questions and even mysteries surrounding his present standing within the organization. Still, he is my choice at 18 and would have been in every previous round since 10.
I agree that Locey gets way less attention than he deserves, but we haven’t seen him. I’ll just dream on him being the next Whitley and take him at 19.
I like Gil a lot, and Burlison is very intriguing. I really hope Luken Baker does a Matt Adams on the Texas league next summer, and he then becomes relevant.
At number 20, I have to go Justin Williams. Like Sosa, any prospect who has a reasonable chance of playing regularly and producing next year gets my attention first.19 – Tony Locey – 6’3″, 239 pound power pitcher. 94-96 MPH fastball. Above average slider. Developing curve.
20. Mateo Gil – Drafted in 2018 at the age of 17. It takes awhile for teenagers to mature. Definitely one to watch in 2021.
21. Ian Bedell – ‘The Cards went local with Bedell, a 6-foot-2 starter for Mizzou, which is two hours away from St. Louis. After dominating as a reliever for the Tigers during his sophomore season, posting a 1.56 ERA last spring, he followed the performance up as a starter in the Cape Cod League. He had a 0.59 ERA, a .383 opponents’ OPS and a 36/3 strikeout-to-walk ratio.’
On top of the preceding (partial) scouting report on Bedell, he’s a long time Cardinal fan and University of Missouri product. These are the kind of things that warm MO’s heart and inspire any Cardinal fan to root for him.
#18) Sosa – One of these rounds he going to get some respect and be voted in. The poor guy is probably logging on to TCN, watching this polling, and getting an inferiority complex.
#19) Locey – We’ve pretty much said it all about this 3rd round pick who’s hit 100mph on the gun. 28 Ks in 15 innings for Peoria? He does have a bit of a control problem. Maybe their swinging as they duck and get out of the way of that errant at times heater.
#20) Roberts – If he can just clean up his act he can be a very good one. Drafted in the supplemental 1st round out of Wake Forest in 2018. Struck out 130 in 92.6 innings, while only giving up 78 hits his junior year. Got hammered at Palm Beach in 2019, but the talent is still there.
18. Edwin Nunez – He comes in at 14 in my personal rankings due to what I view as an elite ceiling. He’s so far away though that I think 20-25 is probably about right. Signed at 18 due to eligibility issues with MLB, he still has a lot of projection left as a 6’3″ 185 pound 18 yr old. Obviously has an elite FB, touching 100 and working in the high 90’s, but is said to have a good (yet inconsistent CB) and a CU that he hasn’t needed to throw much. A three pitch mix with elite FB sounds like he has a floor of a high leverage reliever with legit Ace upside IF everything comes together. Very anxious to see where the Cardinals place him and how he performs. He’d be a little old for the Dominican league, but it’s a big step up to the GCL, so I think a late season promotion to the GCL would be the most likely scenario as it gets him to the states towards the end of next season, hopefully to get ready for the following instructional league. There’s a lot to hope on with his profile.
19. Edmundo Sosa – Smooth fielder whose power may or may not ever show up. His changed approach led to a bit more power, but not enough to really justify the loss in OBP in my opinion. Without the increase of in game power to drive the ball, his profile may not fit anything more than a utility IF in today’s game. Still, he will likely make a niche for himself in the majors just due to his defensive chops and still some time to see if the bat develops.
20. Tony Locey – To me, Tony Locey is a Lance Lynn clone. A big righty with a FB/SL (Lynn was FB/CB)combination that might be enough to get him to the show as a starter. Hopefully he can develop a cutter like Lynn has as well. His xFIP numbers were much better than his ERA in Peoria so I think he will be much better in his second actual season in the organization. There is a lot of pitching depth around him now and a lot less spots to put people with the MiLB consolidation. The minor league rotations are going to be fascinating this year with improved system depth and less rotation spots. Peoria and PB should be stacked.
I am still intrigued about the pitchers drafted in 2019. TCN # 30 Gragg has a very projectable size, long arms, and a potential for a velocity bump.
Sorry, I thought Malcolm Nunez was still available. Can I change my #20 to Gil?
Absolutely. I had assumed you were voting for Edwin Nunez.
Things really opened up this round. There are two clear frontrunners, followed by a mix of other players such that any vote could swing the rankings in favor of any one of the 7 vying for the #20 rank (9 total players have gotten votes this round).
30 hours to go in the vote!! We have a few stragglers yet to wander in, so there’s a chance for the late arrivals to impact the voting still. Let’s finish the top 20 in style!
So how does the tiebreaker work? Most 1st Place votes, most votes, or do we play NFL rules and it ends in a tie? I’d be for most votes I think.
Ties will be broken by most “1st place” votes, followed by most “2nd place” if two are tied after that. And yes, there is currently a tie for 18th. There’s still time for more votes to come in and sway things. Voting closes in 19 hours.
Voting has closed. The final vote:
18. Edmundo Sosa
19. Tony Locey
20. Mateo GilVoting for #21-23 is now open. Voting will end at 6 PM ET/5 PM CT on November 28th.
21- Ralston, love his windmill windup. I thought I read he bumped up to mid 90s in relief in 2019. Nice curve with 12 to 6 movement. Still think he has starter potential, but given the amount of candidates he may not get a chance.
22- Pallante has more pitches than Ralston, and a better changeup, potentially a plus pitch. I believe he will be given every chance to start, possibly ay high A, wherever that is.
23- Julio Rodriguez is a nearly a defense ready MLB catcher. Perhaps can be better blocking pitches in the dirt. His bat has potential, and if it can develop I think he can be better than Herrera, although has Herrera has more years to develop, and more importantly one has a 40 man roster spot while Rodriguez doesn’t.
21-Edwin Nunez – As you can tell, I’m buying the hype on this kid. If he were drafted instead of signed at 18 he’d likely be a top 10 type prospect. Of course there’d also be a lot more information on him so I guess there’s that. I chose to believe.
22-Luken Baker – It’ll be interesting to see how he comes back off of the layoff. I really thought he had found something at the end of the PB season and was expecting a break out of sorts at Springfield. I still think there is a good chance of that happening, however I’m just curious how the long layoff is going to effect him (and really most prospects) coming back. If the DH is around to stay, I believe his value to the Cardinals increases and his ceiling is the good Matt Adams that doesn’t have to play LF.
23-Ian Bedell – Probably my favorite draft pick, because of the value he gives as a 4th rounder. He’s got a legit 4 pitch mix that are all above average with no real “out” pitch, but still a lot of value in that profile in that it plays up with his good control. I could see him as a mid to back end rotation piece with a slight chance he ends up in the bullpen. I think he has a very good chance of making the show so he is much lower risk in my opinion than most of those outside the Top-20.
I’m going with:
21. Luken Baker. His hot finish in Palm Beach (.355/.419/.667 over the last month) portends a good run in Springfield and Memphis, I feel. Again, having a DH spot for him in a couple of years would be big, as I think his best position is gonna be “hitter.” He’s put up 123 and 115 wRC+ in tough hitting environments the last two years.
22. Edwin Nunez. The lost year for him stinks, but 100 mph at his age is impressive. We may look back in a couple of years and say that he was ranked far too low coming in. Hopefully we get to see him pitch this coming season.
23. Julio Rodriguez. I think he could possibly back up Knizner this year if needed, at least behind the plate. The bat has been passable, with a 113 wRC+ in rookie ball followed by a 93 in Peoria and a 115 at Palm Beach. If he can hit average for a catcher and play good defense, he will have long term value.
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