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How much money have they invested in sophisticated equipment and the instructors who know how to implement it? How much money have they invested in many more roving position specialist instructors for the minor leagues? How much money are they investing in the Jupiter training facility? How much money are they losing from the new cable contract? Unless we have actual figures, there’s really no case to be made either way.
Greyghost, you may not care but ownership may have a different viewpoint. They are the ones calling the shots. I think.
Denton hasn’t let go of the rope yet. I am not sure if he is trying to save face or if perhaps a writer from mlb.com might come at this story differently than a writer from The Athletic. Maybe different agendas and angles. Just spitballing.
Though no deal appears imminent, the #STLCards and the #Astros are discussing a Nolan Arenado trade again. Arenado flexed his no-trade clause and squashed a deal with Houston back in mid-December. Still, the two sides appear motivated to find an accord. https://t.co/mF4Sn4kh8K
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) February 23, 2025
HOU went over the soft cap last season, after being under during 2021-2023. They are 5mil under today as a projected end of year. Depending on where they want Altuve, maybe the re-engage wasn’t about Arenado at all.
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Unless we have actual figures, there’s really no case to be made either way.
That is certainly true, but those making intelligent guesses are suggesting the size of the increased investment in Player Development is much smaller than comparative change in MLB figures (revenue and expense declines). My gut feeling agrees.
I believe they will increase spending on MLB payroll when they get the development pipeline flowing well such that they are close enough to being competitive that spending on a few additional players could put them over the top.
How long that takes is anyone’s guess.
Very good thoughts, Brian. I’d also factor in the loss of revenues from the cable contract as well as an anticipate drop in ticket revenues as they go through this transition period.
From what I read the Fan Duel/Bally TV deal was a $24 million reduction year over year…but they could make some of that up with the streaming package. They were in line to get $75 million but b/c of Bally going bankrupt they signed a new deal with them in November of 2024 for $51 million a year.
Any loss in attendance Management should own that…for neglecting player development and then whatever they are doing with putting together a team for this year that seems to be underwhelming and not exciting the fanbase with ticket sales.
For the last 25 plus years they have been in the top 7 in attendance in MLB and most of those years top 3 in attendance for MLB
Yep
Despite promised re-set, Cardinals now find themselves stuck in the middle. Column: https://t.co/2wmmI9KzAH
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) February 28, 2025
Giants sold 10% of team to private equity firm
The San Francisco Giants have sold a stake in the franchise to a private equity group, the team announced Tuesday.
Sixth Street has purchased about 10 percent of the Giants with the team aiming to use the influx of capital to help pay for upgrades to the franchise’s 25-year-old stadium and other facilities, as well as the Mission Rock real estate development adjacent to the ballpark, The New York Times reported Tuesday morning.
Arenado mucking up the works. Give him away if that’s what it takes. This isn’t going to get better.
Arenado mucking up the works. Give him away if that’s what it takes.
The problem all along is that NA can’t be given away. Someone must be paid to take him, and Our Bill does not like to pay. Its not such a problem now, because the ‘reset’ seems more about restructuring the organization below the ML level. The ML roster and staff should become the center of attention once Mo exits and Bloom emerges from the shadows. This lame duck season is of interest to me only insofar as we can detect, or not, any changes to the way Ollie manages the active roster and in-game decisions, as well as what we can detect about game prep from the lineup churn, defense churn, etc. Who bats where is of no interest to me. Whether they bat there two days in a row is though.
I guess that’s what I mean. Pay to make him go away instead of paying to stay here and interfere with
Getting at bats and evaluating the guys who are going to be here ( or not)I have kind of done a 180 on the Arenado situation. I have concluded that they should just keep him for the remaining three years of his contract then let him walk like they did with Goldy. Why the change of heart? Do I now think he is going to have a resurgence and put up the numbers back in his prime? No, I still think he is an overpaid average player but with all of the money coming off the books after this year (Mikolas, Matz, Fedde, Helsley) his salary shouldn’t be a burden the next couple of years.
The real reason I have had a change of heart is twofold:
1. He is too difficult to move. Finding a team who wants him, and a a team he wants, and a deal where the Cardinals don’t have to eat much money is like finding the holy grail. Probably not going to happen.
2. Gorman is a huge concern. This really isn’t new news but I was hoping he would have a big spring training to alleviate some of the concerns. Instead his numbers look as dismal as last year. If he plays everyday he is going to hit .195 with 25 HR and 75 RBI’s and 200 k’s. He is basically Joey Gallo (who has now given up hitting and is trying to become a pitcher).
We’ve suffered thru enough of this. Carpenter and DeJong and now Arenado. Being forced to watch guys that can’t perform anymore because of contracts. And we get a Mikolas or a Matz thrown at us for good measure. It’s a recurring nightmare.
KCB, one factor might be the lack of compelling left side infield candidates. When you think about it, opening up 3B is really neither here nor there.
Dejong contract didn’t make anyone suffer that much. Watching him flail away at the plate did that.
I mean you know these big money deals won’t pay off in th end. At most you wish Arenado could OPS .800 for a couple years of the remaining deal. I think at this point that is too much to ask. Just hope he keeps the solid D and pray he hits .250 20-80 and pisses off the fans and ownership in the process with his presence.
Could the Cardinals trade Arenado and Nootbaar to the Dodgers for a little bit of nothing in return? Dodgers take on all the salary but we give them the $5 million from the Rockies.
“There are drastic changes that need to happen for me individually and probably with this team,” Arenado said. “I’m not a part of those plans for those changes for the team, and that’s OK. I understand that.
Still: “I would really like this not to go the way it did last year." https://t.co/wFv3fayLnt
— Katie Woo (@katiejwoo) September 25, 2025
The good thing for Arenado is that he doesn’t need to concede more than his address. He’ll make a bunch of cash, either way. A bummer than his tenure in St Louis hasn’t gone the way any of us hoped. He’s still been a very good player for us.
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