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February 16, 2025 at 12:40 pm #276602
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ParticipantJJ – The owners are indeed at fault. Their behavior has made the players feel that the bloated, long term contracts are actually well deserved.
February 16, 2025 at 1:03 pm #276604If I were the Cardinals I would re-think giving out no trade clauses in the future. They have completely stalled the rebuild.
February 16, 2025 at 2:00 pm #276606Most of the attention and seemingly effort by the Cardinals to deal Arenado has clouded what is probably the more egregious issue in a so-called “reset”, which was to move on from at least one, preferably two of Mikolas, Matz and Fedde. Three guys that are mediocre and clog up the starting rotation when there are numerous young guys that need to be given a shot.
Maybe the club tried and there were no takers, and they will surely be moved around the trade deadline if they are healthy.
February 16, 2025 at 2:00 pm #276607bccran
ParticipantStay away from no trade clauses and opt outs.
February 16, 2025 at 2:42 pm #276608True Mike but Mikolas, Matz, and Fedde are all on expiring contracts so they can be disposed of before this time next year by simply just turning the pages of the calendar, which is the proven way for the Cardinals. Moving Arenado, Gray, and Contreras is much more difficult and requires a lot of effort.
I expect the younger pitchers on this club will get their shot soon due to injuries and trades of the vets.
February 16, 2025 at 7:20 pm #276613So, Nolan wants to be traded, but only to a contending team, yet no contenders want him. How’s that working out for you, Nolan? A better attitude would be that he’ll make a team a contender, not just go along for the ride. So now, it’s almost as if he’s back on the Rockies, just at a lower elevation, which doesn’t help him or the Cards organization. I agree these no-trade clauses have to go.
February 16, 2025 at 10:32 pm #276617So, Nolan wants to be traded, but only to a contending team, yet no contenders want him. How’s that working out for you, Nolan? A better attitude would be that he’ll make a team a contender,
He’s here because the Cardinals refuse to send out more money with him, and refuse to take back any offsetting contracts.
It’s not Arenado’s fault.
It’s the Cardinals fault.
February 17, 2025 at 12:00 am #276618Arenado exercised his no-trade clause to Houston, so not completely the Cards fault.
February 17, 2025 at 6:05 am #276619
jj-cf-stlParticipantBill handed out the NTC’s, and the Arenado 15mil extension. Bill doesn’t get to change any contract just because he downgraded his financial committment to his teams budget. The NTC’s haven’t changed their minds, LOL!
They’ll play ball with or without Bill’s bad decisions.February 17, 2025 at 8:02 am #276622Arenado exercised his no-trade clause to Houston, so not completely the Cards fault.
Arenado was only put in that position because the Cardinals weren’t speaking to him as they were trying to trade him, despite Arenado having a full NTC.
Again, that is 100% on the Cardinals that they couldn’t behave like professionals while trying to trade Arenado.
February 17, 2025 at 8:32 am #276623
jj-cf-stlParticipantThe FO tried to force Arenados hand with a deal ready to be finalized (HOU). Mo even baited the press with the details, BEFORE contacting Arenado, and later Mo admitted he deviated from S.O.P.
It didn’t work, but he did set up Nado as the villain for declining the rumored trade. That was a very punk choice the FO made.
February 17, 2025 at 8:37 am #276624bccran
ParticipantBoth are at fault.
February 17, 2025 at 8:48 am #276625
jj-cf-stlParticipantCranny, I know you are wired to support Bill, and your consistency to do so has been top-shelf.
February 17, 2025 at 9:11 am #276626Cranny, I know you are wired to support Bill, and your consistency to do so has been top-shelf.
That’s why he isn’t credible.
February 17, 2025 at 9:24 am #276627
jj-cf-stlParticipantBills credibility does take a hit when he navigates a new direction every offseason. Who is the new PR person? Can we get a filter installed?
February 17, 2025 at 9:26 am #276628bccran
ParticipantI’m actually not wired that way at all, jj. But overall he’s been one of the best owners in baseball over the past 30 years. Unfortunately his attempt to firm up the middle of the lineup with guys like Ozuna, Goldschmidt, and Arenado hasn’t resulted in a return to playing deep into October as he had hoped. Then the perfect storm hit – the regression of Goldschmidt and Arenado, the lack of advancement by Walker and Gorman, coupled with injuries to the pitchers picked up in July of 2023.
At the same time, several teams went even crazier in the free agent market (especially the Dodgers), turning things upside down. He realized that the only way back was to bring in younger guys who had built strong minor league systems in Tampa Bay and Cleveland. He probably should have made that move several years ago. He’s been an overly loyal boss to guys like Mo and Gary LaRocque. Guys whom he has been close to for many years. Senior age tends to do that. The last 2 years especially were a curt wake-up call to him.
February 17, 2025 at 9:42 am #276629
jj-cf-stlParticipantYep, old news.
Sellers.February 17, 2025 at 9:53 am #276630bccran
ParticipantVery valuable input, jj. Muchos gracias from TCN.
February 17, 2025 at 9:55 am #276631bccran
ParticipantKCB – the only people who lack credibility are those who only look at the negative side of the coin.
February 17, 2025 at 9:56 am #276632Well, the problem with the Cardinals is they made a decision to go into a new direction, publicly announced it, then failed to accomplish their #1, #2 & #3 priorities this offseason, which were all trading Arenado.
February 17, 2025 at 9:59 am #276633bccran
ParticipantSevere mistake by Mo to provide clear transparency re the Arenado situation.
February 17, 2025 at 10:08 am #276634
jj-cf-stlParticipantSellers is today, and how it effects STL going forward. A decling budget and underperforming farm land at Bills feet. Your synopsis of Bills past, is just old news now.
February 17, 2025 at 10:23 am #276635bccran
ParticipantAnd your synopsis of the future, jj, might include all the new equipment and guys who have been brought in to raise the productivity of players coming through the system. You might want to highlight who they are, and what impact they had with their former organizations.
February 17, 2025 at 10:26 am #276636
jj-cf-stlParticipantThis “reset” at 100%, brings us in at 100mil for 2026. That’s allowing 30mil for Arb pay! Won’t touch that.
So what is the budget for 2026? The luxury tax threshold will be at 244mil 😀
This reset will work for Bill.February 17, 2025 at 10:29 am #276637
jj-cf-stlParticipantEvery club wants a jewel of a PD system. Claiming you are behind gets no participation trophy. That lands at Bills feet too. Old news.
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