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The stairdown continues…. and when the music stops….. deck chairs flying everywhere!
A trainwreck ending is possible. Buckle up!
"I would be surprised if Arenado is a Cardinal come Opening Day."@Feinsand has the latest news on third basemen Nolan Arenado and Alex Bregman ⬇️#MLBTonight pic.twitter.com/gjX1DSxpcg
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) February 11, 2025
The Red Sox have yet to bite, not only because of the consequences of such a move – [Rafael] Devers shifting to a near-full-time designated hitter role — but because the Cardinals have not budged enough on the money they’re willing to send with the remaining three years and $64 million on Arenado’s contract.
Because trading him is strictly about shedding money. They don’t see value in trading him for minimal return and eating money. Why I thought early on the only way to make it work was adding Romero with him and taking on Taylor and Brasier from the Dodgers. Would have temporarily filled 2 needs (they have since filled with Helman and Anderson) and taking on the 2 contracts of Taylor and Brasier would have eaten $17 million of the contract too. Then they add on 2 prospects or Bobby Miller and have a deal. But Dodgers weren’t interested in him, or as one of the unnamed executives said “if we wanted him we would have him”.
I just don’t see them trading him at this point. Boston dosn’t want the full contract either. Unless they can get a 3rd team involved that would take Yoshida. Which I have thought about and tried to come up with ways to make that work. But Arenado to BOS, Yoshida to SEA, the Cardinals still don’t get much of a return at all from SEA. Even if the Cardinals took on Mitch Garver($13.5 million) or Mitch Haniger($15.5 million), both of which expire after 2025 I don’t see them getting much and they have nothing to do with either one of those guys except release them and that’s basically the same as including money.
It’s been all downstairs with Billy Jr. and Co. The local news is reporting a Cardinal “Flash Sale” in which for a limited time fans can purchase tickets for 10 hot U.S. dollars. I’d call it a scaredown.
Yeah, jj, it’s all about risers and treads and lately I’d guess most Redbird fans are feeling like the latter of the two components.
They could theoretically do something like:
Get:
RF- Haniger (SEA) ($15.5 Million) (DFA him)
C/DH- Garver (SEA) ($13.5 million) (DFA him)
OF- Zach Ehrard (BOS) (A+)
RP- Hunter Cranton (SEA) (A+-AA)
IF- Brock Rodden (SEA) (AA)
Comp A pick (SEA)SEA Gets:
OF/DH- Yoshida (BOS) (18.6, 18.6, 18.6)
RP- Romero (STL) (2.26, final arb)
OF- Jhostynxon Garcia (BOS) (AA)
1B- Blaze Jordan (BOS) (AAA)
OF- Allan Castro (BOS) (AA)BOS Gets:
3B- Arenado (27, 22, 15)This would be a 2025 break even on money, but add some prospects and a draft pick and rid of any future money owed to Arenado and Romero. Maybe they could flip Garver, paying $8 ish million of what he’s owed, and save $5-6 million for 2025 too.
Good to see you again LA.
The experation date on those NTC’s hasn’t “budged” either, or the players.
1TD, if being picky sellers prevents a trainwreck at the bottom of the stairs, that’s not all bad.
Yeah, a couple of risers that provide a path upward to the next level would be nice for a change. Maybe one day they’ll lead to the top of the stairs as opposed to the seller…er, uh…cellar.
They have a number of talented “risers” in the system. Those players just needed better coaching on the way up, which they’ll now be getting.
From SI today:
it’s troubling that the front office doesn’t appear eager to follow through with the organizational reset it promised St. Louis fans shortly after the 2024 season ended.This Arenado issue has come and maybe its gone. Not really fair to Nolan. He deserves something better but the F.O. has made this into well, nobody wants to put up much for Arenado. The guys upstairs wipe their hands of the whole situation while Arenado questions why he ever signed with the Cards in the first place. F.O. = no guts and no class, as they try to squeeze every last cent out of stones.
I’m embarrassed to be a Cards fan.
Magically reclaiming 22mil on Nado lands StL on the stare tread that reads “100mil under the luxury tax” for 2025. It’s an ideal location for viewing risers.
Mozeliak certainly doesn’t want his final year to be a 65 win dud, so he’s trying to tread water and hope to find some magic for his swan song.
I don’t necessarily blame him. Then again, prospects from trades for middling talent almost never pan out. At this point, the untouchable guys will not be traded even for stars, and the average prospects will probably net out to a much lower value than the guy(s) we trade away.
My money is still on Arenado not being with the Cardinals by opening day. I think a deal will eventually get done.
Wonder if the stumbling block is the low amount of money the Cardinals are willing to pay of Arenado’s contract going forward, or the ask of certain prospects in return. Or both.
I think it’s likely the money piece. That’s the whole point of the Cardinals trading Arenado – payroll and opportunities for Gorman. The prospect thing isn’t in the equation because Arenado is under water. The only way to get a good prospect is to pay down more of Arenado’s contract. I believe the Cardinals have set their offer at around $15 million – $5 million per year they are willing to pay for Arenado and they want to hold to that. The prospect will mostly be a throw in 40+ grade prospect or two just to say they got someone.
The next options are either keep waiting on Bregman or offer $10/$10/$5 which probably gets a lot more interest and may net a real prospect. But that goes against what they want to accomplish so the other option is just keep him and look around again at the deadline.
IMO, if the Cardinals need to pay a little more of his salary to get a good prospect, they should. Let’s say they have to send $25 million. They would have to pay Arenado more than that this year with the uncertainty that he might decline more and be untradable. If they trade him with a one year $25 million hit, he is gone from the books for 2026 and 2027 and they get a prospect that might pan out. That allows the Cardinals to see what they have, and need, to rebuild this team quickly.
Easy to say for us. But it’s not our money that we had to earn.
By the trade deadline, he will have cost the Cards nearly $20 million so I’m sure trading him now is still their first priority. It just comes down to who blinks first. It’s already been a long staring contest.
Arenado’s contract. I believe the Cardinals have set their offer at around $15 million – $5 million per year they are willing to pay for
No money after 2025. Take the hit this year, put the savings in 2026 and on so Bloom is starting clean. Arenado is owed 27, 22, 15. Pay him down or take the expiring after 2025 contracts, nothing beyond.
Why would we want to trade a player who may very well hit .285 with 30 homers and 110 rbi’s for us? And perhaps lead us to the NL Central crown?
r/Esteemed Rat
p.s. on Friday I am having Catfish Fiddlers. It’s about that time again.
The Cardinals are going to get fleeced on this Arenado deal, w/ Mozelak sounding like a used car salesman trying to dump him before the end of the month….In reality there should not be a rush, they don’t have some great prospect ready to take over at 3rd, can Dewitt not afford to wait till the trade deadline when if he got off to a good start the return would probably be a little better
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