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LACF said:
everyone believes they will trade Fedde’s $7.5 million and Helsley’s $7-8 million.
The A’s will have a larger payroll than the Cardinals this year.
I question both of those assertions, but they will be proven or disproven by April.
Our player budget EOY in 2024 ranked 12th. A 100mil budget would have slotted in at 24th.
No outsider knows Bill’s player budget floor, but I bet we could agree that 12th to 24th is a major reset (scenario).
First time I have seen the next homes for Arenado and Goldy connected, though I am not sure how strong that idea that Arenado would go to the Yankees if Goldy is signed is…
With Christian Walker off the market, the #Yankees are ramping up their interest in signing Paul Goldschmidt, who wants a multi-year deal, per sources.
Signing Goldschmidt could potentially help NY also land #STLCards 3B Nolan Arenado, a source said. https://t.co/TcOTEp5eBX
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) December 21, 2024
bling, why do you think Contreras’ contract is bad?
I don’t think it is a bad contract. I think it is a pointless expense.
My point is that you shed the BAD contracts and keep the rest. Contreras’ contract is not bad, he is a productive player and he wants to stay. Instead, focus on getting rid of the real dead weight that you can actually do something about. Why continue to complain about something that is not actionable?
Again, they are still trying to field a competitive team and are NOT trying to tank. You can disagree with the plan, but it isn’t going to change. It is what it is.
The fact that Contreras does not come with a bad contract means we can get something of significance for him. Something that would have a point. Shedding the bad contracts helps Bill’s wallet, but won’t bring a return that will be useful as far a rebuilding the organization and ML roster. The sole reason to retain Contreras is to attempt a dignified exit for Mo at the expense of helping the organization recover.
Arenado is one of several Cardinals veterans on the trading block. MLB.com notes that closer Ryan Helsley and starters Erick Fedde and Steven Matz are also drawing interest.
At first, we were told this is a one-year reset. Then, we found out they approached all the expensive guys with no-trade clauses about possible trades. Then, we found out Mo is under orders to shed more payroll, and the Cardinals are prioritizing payroll slashing over prospect returns.
The decision to stay belonged to Contreras, and I doubt it was to dignify the guy who threw him under the bus.
bling said:
The sole reason to retain Contreras is to attempt a dignified exit for Mo at the expense of helping the organization recover.
No. The sole reason to retain Contreras is that he has total control over being traded and he said no. Why keep ignoring reality?
P.S. I did not see jj’s post first, but we said the same thing…
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MLB.com notes that closer Ryan Helsley and starters Erick Fedde and Steven Matz are also drawing interest.
OK, but let’s be clear what these words mean. That players are drawing interest from other teams is NOT the same as the Cardinals having interest in trading them. Maybe yes and maybe no.
But because two of them are on expiring contracts and the other has been ineffective, it would make sense to see what they might fetch.
The sole reason to retain Contreras is that he has total control over being traded and he said no.
Of course he said no. He is not stupid. Arenado said no to the Houston deal. They know Bill wants to shed paroll. They know their no trade clauses stand in the way, and are therefore a bargaining chip that can be turned into cash. Ask yourself why would Contreras want to stay? He loves Mo and Bill? He loves Ollie? He loves the teammates who threw him under the bus? He loves a city and fan base he really has no connection to? Please. Its business. Let the media powder puffs regale us with heartwarming schlock.
They are NOT the same. Arenado said, “Yes, I would accept a trade to six teams”. You are off base trying to draw a parallel to Contreras, who said “No, I would not accept a trade.”
This is in line with your earlier insistence that the Houston deal failed because Arenado was not offered enough money to waive his NTC to go to a team that was not on his list. Theories with nothing to back it up.
I think Contreras said he wanted to stay. That is not the same as saying he will not accept a trade.
It will be interesting to see who Arenado ends up going to, and the terms.
I don’t think anything will happen for Arenado until Bregman decides. Now that a return to Houston is out, Bregman has to get serious about his alternatives.
Contreras has the best job in STL. Bat third and play a little 1B. His playing time is locked in like Goldy was. I’d stay too.
Fedde on the market I guess. Are they trying to make the Nado trade work?
Matz we see can be dealt. Dexter Fowler says hello.
He loves the teammates who threw him under the bus?
I’m really not sure what to think about the idea that Arenado’s teammates threw him under the bus. To me it looks more like Arenado was the one who threw his teammates under the bus. Arenado’s offensive production fell off a cliff in 2024 compared to what it had been. He publicly stated that his offensive production was failing because the pitchers had gotten so much better. There’s something fishy about that, IMO. He played almost all of the 2024 season at age 33 which is just barely out of his prime years which I think are generally considered ages 27-32. I still love his defense even with the errors he now makes on occasion. Also, it would appear that Arenado becomes the ‘face of the franchise’ with Goldschmidt gone. I have no idea how much monetary value that has in terms of tickets sales and viewership, but I think it’s worth something in dollars.
Mud, I think bling was referring to Contreras who was thrown under the bus during Catchergate. Supposedly some of the pitchers complained that they didn’t like to throw to him, which led to Willson’s week long sabbatical at DH.
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