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July 7, 2018 at 11:42 pm #59521
bccran
ParticipantPeople make way too much of this.
Wong gets benched when he doesn’t hit. Fowler gets benched when he doesn’t hit. Not too tough to surmise.July 7, 2018 at 11:50 pm #59522NJ315
ParticipantSo should players be benched when their defense is not good? Or is hitting the only measure by which players should be benched?
July 7, 2018 at 11:53 pm #59523bccran
ParticipantDepends on how the team is doing and what it needs. If the team is in an offensive slump, you play some players whose forte is their bat.
July 8, 2018 at 12:12 am #59524NJ315
Participantthis team is in a season long defensive slump
July 8, 2018 at 12:26 am #59525So should players be benched when their defense is not good? Or is hitting the only measure by which players should be benched?
Hmmm…To answer your question, we should just abolish one way players from the team. No more offense-only players, no more defense only players…
July 8, 2018 at 1:38 am #59526NJ315
ParticipantBye Jose
July 8, 2018 at 8:03 am #59537bccran
ParticipantIf there’s a decent left handed pitcher going against you, it might be a good idea to play a decent right handed hitter at 2B.
Just SOP stuff for a lot of managers.July 14, 2018 at 10:18 pm #60213Matheny, Mabry and Mueler have been fired.
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July 14, 2018 at 10:22 pm #60214NJ315
ParticipantWow. I am totally surprised. I think it is the right move.
July 14, 2018 at 10:22 pm #60215The Reds announcers, Welsh and Brennaman, were talking on the broadcast today that Matheny was really feeling the heat.
Sort of a shame, really. The players don’t perform and its the manager that gets fired. But like Herzog used to say……Managers are hired to be fired.
r/Rat
July 14, 2018 at 10:25 pm #60218That is a surprise.I figured he would last until the off season.Now continue the fix and trade Pham,Fowler and Gyorko,etc:.
July 14, 2018 at 10:27 pm #60220Whoa, I am shocked!!!
Panic move? I don’t know, but it appears that management feels the players lack of playing to their ability is largely due to the on field staff.
July 14, 2018 at 10:30 pm #60227Or this is the front office’s big attempt to just fix everything with a new manager rather than actually trade players…let’s hope that the firings are not all that the team is doing…
July 14, 2018 at 10:31 pm #60228Now continue the fix and trade Pham,Fowler and Gyorko,etc:.
I would not trade low on these guys. Obviously there was a big rift between Matheny and some players, widely suspected to be Fowler and Pham, and maybe others.
Let’s see how things go the rest of the way.
July 14, 2018 at 10:39 pm #60229bccran
ParticipantThe lunatics in the asylum were allow to win. What a shame.
July 14, 2018 at 10:43 pm #60232My guess is you are going to see a win tomorrow, bccran. I did not think so a half-hour ago.
That is the bottom line for me – creating hope again.
I am very surprised the change was made now, but not because I did not think it was warranted. I bet most feel that way.
I give DeWitt Jr. credit for stepping up to an obvious problem and do not consider him a lunatic. He made what he believes is the best decision for his team. Too bad you cannot accept that.
July 14, 2018 at 10:46 pm #60233Needed to happen. And with the crap coming out this week sounds like MM wasn’t as good of a clubhouse manager and was made out to be.
July 14, 2018 at 10:51 pm #60234The lunatics in the asylum were allow to win. What a shame.
Management must feel that a lack of leadership in the clubhouse has a lot to do with the dysfunction on the ball club. And that dysfunction is impacting the results on the field.
Management could be wrong of course, but they obviously feel this is the way to go. It’s got to be pretty bad to make a move in-season, and on a club that is still over .500 (although trending downward).
July 14, 2018 at 10:52 pm #60235bccran
ParticipantBill DeWitt is the furthest thing I know from being a lunatic. But it’s a shame to see players like Fowler, Pham, Wong, Holland, Gregerson, etc. cause a good man to lose his job.
July 14, 2018 at 10:52 pm #60236The Joe Girardi watch intensifies into what should soon be a frenzy.
July 14, 2018 at 10:55 pm #60237While MM might be a good man he isn’t a good manager.
July 14, 2018 at 10:58 pm #60238NJ315
ParticipantMatheny lost his job because he wasn’t a very good manager.
July 14, 2018 at 10:59 pm #60239Mabry had stayed far to long, far to long. Great move from the front office, it was long over due. Now they need to go out and get what this team needs to get over the hump.
July 14, 2018 at 11:02 pm #60240I think Matheny is a class act, but obviously it wasn’t working this year. Sometimes you gotta make a change, and good people end up taking the fall. Happens in the business world all the time.
July 14, 2018 at 11:03 pm #60241I think Matheny is a class act, but obviously it wasn’t working this year. Sometimes you gotta make a change, and good people end up taking the fall. Happens in the business world all the time.
Mike I think he is a class act too, but NOT a good major league manager.
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