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Based on the recent promotions and long-term contract extensions for the manager and key front office personnel, it is hard to see how internal heat is being placed on them.
P.S. I went back and checked on Walt Jocketty. He was fired in October 2007 with one year remaining on his contract and was reportedly paid for the time remaining.
The current manager, GM and President of Baseball Ops are all under contract for three more years, through 2020.
When they were promoted barely 90 days ago, the team was 37-41, in third place and coming off a subpar 2016. I am struggling to see what has changed in the very short time since they got three more years each.
I have no inside information and am going entirely on my senses, but it seems to me the most likely scenario if the team struggles again in 2018, is that the uniformed personnel will be the ones to take the hit first. The president has a longer track record of the success and the new GM is, well, new. Going past that to try to see two or more years ahead seems a waste of time given how many moving parts are involved.
In other words, if they are under that microscope, I think they could remain there for a long time.
Cubs have a President of Baseball Operations and a GM. It’s the lastest thing. Just mirroring that. Those titles will go forward in the future regardless of who mans them. For all intent and purposes, it gives you 2 GMs with the titles that give you clout with other teams and agents.
That info may help others confused by the titles. I am not among them, though. You did not address the three year extensions given each this June 30th.
Head in the sand, maybe. At least not in concrete as with those who are not open to any information that doesn’t coincide with their own thinking, no matter what.
Leaks and anonymous sources, very shoddy base for decision making. The Molina tweet? He clearly was unhappy to sit and the very people who have blasted Matheny for using Yadi too much jumped right on that as trouble in the clubhouse. And just maybe Yadi was feeling a little threatened with the attention given to Kelly. Just maybe he could see his playing time diminishing.
I repeat, I am open minded about Matheny and I understand that some have hated him from the first. But to be fair there should be something more than leaks and such. I have had concerns about how long he leaves a pitcher in the game who is having trouble. But frankly I have never collected info about how his decision worked out. If it goes bad more than 20-30% of the time then I can make a decision about that.
If management fires Matheny I have no problem. If not, then I am OK assuming they know more than I do.
bccran, then you can please start by explaining why two key executives promoted in the last 90 days with three-year contract extensions are now supposedly under the microscope. Thanks.
Sooner, back a few pages in this thread, there was a link to what looked to be a very comprehensive study on when managers pull their starters related to game outcomes. In that study, Matheny came in last in MLB. It is not my work and I do not endorse it, but I read it carefully at the time and did not see any holes in it. Assuming you missed it the first time, I will look for the link.
Update: Actually it was way back on Page 8, posted by BlackHillsCard on September 21.
No BC. The Matheny bashing sums up our unified understanding Matheny is a poor manager. Its a shame you can’t see the same thing the rest of us see.
Funny thing is I dont think I’ve bashed matheny. I’ve called him average at best is the closest you can get. Believe it or not I agree that a lot of causes of this season’s failure is on mo and not mike. But some of it is DEFINITELY on mike. At best he didnt help or fix the problem and that is not acceptable.
There is pretty obvious distinction between being constantly negative or positive or neither.
You havent shown the ability to see the negatives much less discuss them rationally which is why people jump down your throat so much.
In order to say a manager, or anything else for that matter, is bad, or good, you have to have a standard of comparison. Would somebody provide the names of who would be a good manager? Bruce Bochy was the managerial darling a few years ago. Do we want a candidate like Bruce Bochy who led the Giants to a last place finish with the tied-for-worst record in baseball? My point is that, although I cannot defend MM, I also cannot propose something better. I would point out, though, that he didn’t send Gyorko out to play SS or Wong out to play in the outfield this year.
I chuckled, mudville. You bring up Bruce Bochy and he’s won 2 world series championships. Remind me, has Matheny won 2 world series championships as manager?
Mo and company don’t sign anyone or trade for anyone or even make an offer without clearing with Junior first. They’re not under any microscope. They are a mouthpiece for the owner. Junior has decided in recent years to NOT sign any big names and NOT trade bundle of prospects for a star. I’m not criticizing that necessarily. It’s Junior’s team. Mo is not going to sign a five year deal at twenty million year unless Junior authorizes it first. Mo is like all GM’s is just a lackey for the owners.
Theo has made some meaningful deals that have paid off and they have not been cheap. But ,m he didn’t do anything without the permission of the Cub owners first.Whatever happens this off season will all be Junior.
Thanks Brian. That study certainly indicates that what I have sensed is legit. I would also like to know how the actual games come out. I probably have equal or greater concern as to whether he leaves an ineffective reliever in too long. Particularly with Bowman. Bowman like Seth Maness before him is pretty good when he is good but when he is bad he is awful.
mudville, I went back to the MLB Network June ranking of top tactical and strategic managers. Their top 10 are:
1. Francona
2. Showalter
3. Girardi
4. Maddon
5. Lovullo
6. Hinch
7. Black
8. Melvin
9. Roberts
10. GibbonsBDW and Mo still have confidence in MM. That’s all that really counts, isn’t it? Anonymous posters are just…well, anonymous posters who have no say so in the matter and continue to beat a horse that is no longer with us.
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