Matheny as manager – fired 7/14

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    Brian Walton
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    I recall a lot of fan talk about Taveras for Profar. I do not recall if it was backed by the usual Rosenthal-Morosi types or not, but if fans were talking, there is no reason to believe that front office people were not, too.

    Regarding perception of Taveras, I recall he was benched for not hustling at one point, but I think it was way back at Peoria. Since Miller was mentioned, his troubles were at Springfield. Of course, most young men grow up, but unfortunately, Oscar lost his life far too early.

    I have no recollection about how the manager felt about him, either way, not that one could probably tell, anyway.

    #34349
    bccran
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    In the only conversations I had with people in the organization, they expressed some concerns about his defense. He also had been working on his base running.

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    Iff remember right …OT came up because he was raking…they were pushing him as fast as he could keep up

    he didnt do poorly with the big league club either, just had a short chance

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    #34723
    Brian Walton
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    Matheny’s son Tate received Boston’s minor league baserunner of the year award for stealing 27 of 34 at high-A.

    https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20170929/michael-chavis-jalen-beeks-headline-red-sox-minor-league-award-winners

    #34725
    Brian Walton
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    The link onyxgem posted is from CBS, national writer Dayn Perry specifically.

    This article is from Sports Illustrated, by Jay Jaffe. It is about the team and the season. It does not call for changes, but closes with this. (He missed the news Mo was promoted.)

    “General manager John Mozeliak and company have to ask themselves whether Mike Matheny is the right man for the managerial job; whether or not to bring back pending free agent Lance Lynn; whether age and concussions have diminished Molina (who is about to start a pricey contract extension); what happened to the previously productive Piscotty, Grichuk and Diaz, how to how to fix a bullpen whose problems have now spanned multiple seasons; and how, at the end of the day, they can catch up with the Cubs and the other National League teams they’ll be watching on TV this October.”

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/09/29/st-louis-cardinals-eliminated

    #34736
    bccran
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    BDW has already publically expressed confidence in his field manager. Maybe Jay Jaffee isn’t aware of that.

    #34738
    NJ315
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    Well that’s a bummer. I read about BDW confidence in Matheny. He will be gone after next season is my prediction. Don’t sign Lynn.

    #34739
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    Or BDW is just waiting to see how the rest of the season goes before making any decisions, as views can change from week to week, and if they wanted to make a real change they could just clean house…

    #34758
    bccran
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    MM will be here in 2018, but will probably not survive missing the playoffs if they don’t make it next year. Refreshing with a reset would be in order.

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    LoganAlpha30X7
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    MM should be on the hot seat starting now if not outright gone, wonder if he’d get fired by the All-Star break if we’re not doing so well…

    #34762
    bccran
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    He has all of 2018.

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    LoganAlpha30X7
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    Well unless this team gets some help and everybody plays better we’ll be right back here this time next year…

    #34770
    bccran
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    The team will have some additions.
    That you can bank on. BDW knows the fan base will not be happy if they stand pat.

    #34881
    Brian Walton
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    Yahoo Sports has an MLB manager review with six categories:

    On thin ice
    Up in the air – Matheny is listed here along with Don Mattingly, Scott Servais and Ned Yost.
    Probably safe
    We would be shocked
    Already gone
    Sticking around

    https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-managers-heat-seat-terry-collins-whos-next-224700684.html

    #34886
    bicyclemike
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    The Yahoo guy puts Matheny at 50/50. Despite the decline, and the fact that Matheny is roundly criticized around baseball insiders as one the weaker strategists among the manager fraternity, I figure him a solid 80% chance of staying. I think management sticks with him another year, and will asses things after the 2018 season.

    However, maybe there is more to this clubhouse discord stuff than we out here in the bleacher know.

    #34888
    bccran
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    MM will be given every opportunity to succeed in 2018. Any clubhouse dissenters will be gone.

    #34893
    14NyquisT
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    bc… you know that the major dissenter will be back. That’s problematic for Matheny.

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    Onyxgem
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    BC if any clubhouse dissenters will be gone MM should be the first one shown the door!

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    BlackHillsCard
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    Yadi isn’t going anywhere.

    #34925
    SoonerinNC
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    Curious as to who are these insiders and how do they say Matheny is a poor strategist.

    Everyone is into inuendos and editorializing these days. Like Jack Webb, I just want the facts. Sure that most do not know who Jack Webb was.

    #34926
    mudville
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    The stuff we’re getting is based on leaks. You hardly ever get to find out who the leaker is.

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    I see Sooner is still living with his head in the sand, ignoring all of the articles calling Matheny a poor tactician and calling for his firing.

    #34939
    NJ315
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    The fact is the facts have been well documented. I am not going to repeat any. You want facts check the 2013 WS and 2014 LCS. Plenty to choose on both.

    #34940
    bccran
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    With the performances of some of the players he was given to compete with like Peralta, Diaz, Grichuk, Piscotty, Leake, Oh, Broxton, Siegrist, etc., the front office doesn’t feel MM can be successfully measured in 2017. He will be given some different players next year, and how he does will determine his future with the Cardinals.

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