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Most of the time I’m with you and take the proven guy. Doesn’t always work out though, Ozuna trade looks awful now. And while i haven’t been the biggest supporter of Gorman, because of bat to ball skill mostly, I’d take him any day over O’Neill. Most prospects don’t pan out or live up to the hype at all, but you’re building a team of 26 here, not a couple positions. Want 2 great player and a losing team go cheer for LAA. I’d take my chances that Soto, if traded to STL, won’t be in STL in 2025. Hold only Gorman, Walker, Winn, whoever they will be in 2025 filling multiple positions. The business model has never been guys like Soto. It’s been build from within, next guy be ready. Start trading from this depth then the Donovans aren’t there to be called upon.
The business model has never been guys like Soto. It’s been build from within, next guy be ready
Exactly. That doesn’t mean the occasional blockbuster can’t happen. We have done that with Goldy and Arenado but you better be **** sure you can lock the player up long term.
I’ve never talked about prospects like some on here, but I believe I have an eye for talent and I really like these two young players. I really believe it would be a fatal mistake to trade them. Normally I’d agree with those saying don’t fall in love with the prospects but in this case they are really good and I firmly believe they are going to be stars, especially Walker.
Hopefully they can find a least one starter and a bullpen piece but I wouldn’t wreck the system for it.
Well O’Neil was a prospect once, he’s pretty much what these guys turn out to be at their top ceiling. Far as Gorman vs O’Neil, that’s easy decision. I’m taking O’Neil. Can hit for power, not a liability on bases like Gorman. The Gorman’s are a dime a dozen far as his talent goes. If someone believes they can get a lot from him and maybe they will, and are willing to give us a proven player, especially a proven pitcher, I’m all over that. It would be a different story if we had a solid pitching staff, but we don’t. Far as the angels go, at least they seriously try to make moves to make their team better. Obviously there is something missing in their system at some level but as a fan you could never say they arent trying. It’s far better to do that than be like teams like the pirates, marlins, who don’t really show that effort for the fans hence why they don’t have big fan support. The Cardinals just usually try to cut it down the middle, just vaguely trying but more hoping. It
helps they play in a weaker division. If we played in a more competitive decision, the Cardinals would have to decide which side of the fence they want to be on to keep their big fan attendance.Willie, I wouldn’t be against Gorman being moved in a trade. The only two I’d be against unless it’s for a player like Ohtani is Walker and Winn. The others are fair game even one already on the big league roster like TO.
Soto on a 500+mil contract is a scary scenario.
Does he start playing D like Fowler? You know, when he wants to.
I’d hope they just rent him, if they pull the trigger. I’d expect O’Neills salary and his next two arb salaries to be headed to WSH.The Giants have made their living in recent years picking guys off the scrap heap to make a good rotation. The Dodgers have had decent success doing something similar. The Cards were well known for it at one point. There’s no need to trade high end position talent for a starter. It’s a fool’s gamble and unless the team is desperate for the here and now, it makes no sense. Now, acquiring a Hall of Fame hitter is a different story…
This forum has a lot of very set on their ways posters that post blanket statements like it is the gospel. I come in once in a while but can’t find a connection. Statements like players like Gorman are a dime a dozen make no sense. How do you know what he is going to be as a player at this point? I don’t know. But you do right now. Weird.
What we need to do is pick somebody’s pocket or just get lucky. One of my favorites was back in 2012. We traded minor league 3rd baseman Zack Cox for Ed Mujica. The Marlins owner was quoted as saying ” We got a potential starting 3rd baseman for an f-ing 7th inning guy”. Mujica saved 37 for us the next year and was an All Star. Cox never got out of the minors.
I am going to try to be supportive of whatever we do. If we trade four or five of our best young players for Soto then I am going to root like heck for a world series trophy between now and 2024 and just hope we can rebuild the system. I still don’t think that is our best approach but I am not going to stop being a Cardinal fan because of it.
The dodgers have also went out and got good or great pitchers and they develop pitching better. The Giants have a similiar model to Cardinals lately but that has netted them the same results as Cardinals. No world series championships lately. Trading position playing prospects for better pitching is always the best thing if you need better pitching. This team won’t win a world series without better pitching. If not winning one is ok, then we can do that without soto. I’m not going to be mad if we get him cause if arenado stays, it could be great for next season if the Cardinals can do something pitching wise off-season or if we can get both a great pitcher and a hitter but that seems a little too optimistic. Only thing that soto does without better pitching is gets us talked about a little more on sportscenter for a while.
Well Oliver, I’ll tell you about my thoughts on Gorman and what I mean about a dime a dozen. It’s probably a little harsh to say that but I’m on a fan site so I can say what I eat far as a baseball assessment on him, I’m not critiquing his hair or his prehitting mannerisms. I consider him just a dead pull hitter. I’ve yet to see him try to cut down on his swing or intentionally hit it the other way. Maybe he has and I’ve never seen it but that’s point of view. He strikes out a lot even for today’s time. I feel there are lots of guys who can do all that. Now it could be that he’s slightly above the cut and is better at connecting on the mistakes he gets so time may prove me wrong. But I’m not seeing that yet. Yea it’s early but I’m just saying, he would be an easy expendable piece for me if we could get something proven be it soto or pitching. Like some have said, we already have some other talent coming up though I would be surprised if Washington or other wouldn’t look at those guys first if they are as good as people say. I don’t really follow prospects cause for me what guys do in the minors means nothing. I’m not in charge of promoting them. I only look once they start playing against major league talent at the major league level. Far as gospel goes, well it is my gospel. You can have your own if your confident in what you think
I don’t think Soto will be traded. The Nats don’t have to, unless they are overwhelmed by the return in prospects.
The Nats may not have to trade Soto, but the return will never be higher than it is now. In fact I’d say they will lose one top 100 prospect per half season they delay. If someone offered 4 blue chips, they’d be foolish not to accept.
Maybe Mo lets somebody else gut their organization to get Soto and then trade them a lesser package of our young guys for a quality rotation guy.
One of my favorites was back in 2012. We traded minor league 3rd baseman Zack Cox for Ed Mujica.
Ha! I was surprised at how well Mujica did for the Cards and have thought about him many times over the years. Matheny road him like a warhorse until he collapsed. My memory might be a little foggy on this, but after doing so well for a good while, Mujica just suddenly fell off a cliff performance-wise and was done as far as the Cards were concerned.
I read where while they aren’t definitely trying to trade him like the nationals are soto, the angels might be willing to trade ohtani for the right deal and that the Cardinals have the best odds to land him. That would be the trade to make and we should be willing to give up some good prospects. We fill two needs with one trade. Also would be box office for the Cardinals far as attendance and put them in great position playoffs wise.
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