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  • #179050
    bicyclemike
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    Loved β€˜67! I was 14. My dad would tune in the games every night as the KMOX signal could be heard all the way in Wyoming on most nights. Such an exciting year. If you have only heard Harry Caray as the older broadcaster with the Cubs, you gotta YouTube some of his work in the β€˜60s when he was sharp, had a crisp deliver and just oozed passion and excitement.

    I have always said that I won’t have better times than those innocent days of youth hanging out with my dad listening to Cardinal baseball.

    #179052
    kscardfan
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    Sat and watched the weekday games in the gym at school. Great times. Brock hit over .400 Javier and Maris both hit well.

    #179054
    forsch31
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    105. forsch31 – Lance Lynn, P.

    Lynn has quietly put together a good career. He was very good in 2019 and 2021 but he has always been a workhorse. I think he is a pitcher that the Cardinals have missed. You know he is going to take the ball every 5 days and keep you in the game. His career ERA is only 3.48 and he has been over 4.00 in only 1 season.

    #179055
    kscardfan
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    I knew there was one I had on my list ahead of Cox. Nice pick. I should have written it down. Need him back.

    #179056
    forsch31
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    I was hoping he would last until I picked this round. The pitching is starting to get thin and he has that old-time feel about him.

    #179059
    jj-cf-stl
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    Lance Lynn attacks batters like a closer and does it for a starters workload. Nice pick.

    #179060
    jj-cf-stl
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    106. jj-cf-stl – Troy Percival, P

    #179061
    jj-cf-stl
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    A Troy Percival type, acquired after this lockout, would sure help out Cabrera and Gallegos next season.

    #179062
    hypernovacello
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    Love the idea πŸ™‚

    #179063
    stlcard25
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    Round 12

    100.mudville – Andres Galarraga, 1B
    101. stlcard25 – Tom Henke, P
    102. Nigel T – Bobby Bonilla, UT
    103. gscottar – Pedro Guerrero, UT
    104. kscardfan – Danny Cox, P
    105. forsch31 – Lance Lynn , P
    106. jj-cf-stl – Troy Percival, P
    107. bicyclemike – At bat
    108. flood21 – On deck

    #179064
    stlcard25
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    Every pick so far:

    Round 1

    1. flood21- Bob Gibson, P
    2. bicyclemike- Stan Musial, LF
    3. jj-cf-stl- Cy Young, P
    4. forsch31- Rogers Hornsby, 2B
    5. kscardfan- Albert Pujols, 1B
    6. gscottar-Dizzy Dean, P
    7. Nigel T-Nolan Arenado, 3B
    8. stlcard25-Steve Carlton, P
    9. mudville-Yadier Molina, C

    Round 2

    10. mudville-Ozzie Smith, SS
    11. stlcard25-Scott Rolen, 3B
    12. Nigel T – Ted Simmons, C
    13. gscottar – Lou Brock, OF
    14. kscardfan – Garry Templeton, SS
    15. forsch31 – Pete Alexander, P
    16. jj-cf-stl – Ken Boyer, 3B
    17. bicyclemike – Joe Torre, 3B
    18. flood21 – Larry Walker, OF

    Round 3

    19. flood21 – Jim Edmonds, CF
    20. bicyclemike – Joe Medwick, LF
    21. jj-cf-stl – Keith Hernandez, 1B
    22. forsch31 – Johnny Mize, 1B
    23. kscardfan – Ray Lankford, CF
    24. gscottar – Willie McGee, CF
    25. Nigel T – Mark McGwire, 1B
    26. stlcard25 – Paul Goldschmidt, 1B
    27. mudville – Bruce Sutter, P

    Round 4

    28. mudville – Chris Carpenter, P
    29. stlcard25 – Frankie Frisch, 2B
    30. Nigel T – Adam Wainwright, P
    31. gscottar – Jack Clark, 1B
    32. kscardfan – Red Schoendienst, 2B
    33. forsch31 – Enos Slaughter, RF
    34. jj-cf-stl – Lance Berkman, RF
    35. bicyclemike – Mordecai Brown, P
    36. flood21 – Orlando Cepeda, 1B

    Round 5

    37. flood21 – Carlos Beltran, OF
    38. bicyclemike – Jim Bottomley, 1B
    39. jj-cf-stl – Matt Holliday, LF
    40. forsch31 – Harry Breechen, P
    41. kscardfan – Bill White, 1B
    42. gscottar – Tommy Herr, 2B
    43. Nigel T – Reggie Smith, RF
    44. stlcard25 – Dazzy Vance, P
    45. mudville – Brian Jordan, RF

    Round 6

    46. mudville – John Tudor, P
    47. stlcard25 – Dick Allen, LF
    48 Nigel T – Bobby Bonds CF
    49. gscottar- Tim McCarver C
    50. kscardfan – Vince Coleman, LF
    51.forsch31 – Curt Flood, CF
    52. jj-cf-stl – Kid Nichols, P
    53 bicyclemike – Burleigh Grimes, P
    54. flood21 – Placido Polanco, 2B

    Round 7

    55. flood21 – Dennis Eckersley, P
    56. bicyclemike – Dick Groat, SS
    57. jj-cf-stl – Gene Tenace, C
    58. forsch31 – Whitey Kurowski, 3B
    59. kscardfan – Tony Pena, C
    60. gscottar – Roger Maris, RF
    61. Nigel T – Jesse Haines, P
    62. stlcard25 – JD Drew, RF
    63. mudville – Pepper Martin, OF

    Round 8

    64. mudville – Lee Smith, P
    65. stlcard25- Andy Van Slyke, CF
    66. Nigel T – Jim Kaat P
    67. gscottar – Marty Marion, SS
    68. kscardfan – Bob Forsch, P
    69. forsch31 – Larry Jackson, P
    70. jj-cf-stl – Miller Huggins, 2B
    71. bicyclemike – Roger Bresnahan, C
    72. flood21 – Darrell Porter, C

    Round 9

    73. flood21 – Rafael Furcal, SS
    74. bicyclemike – Jose Cruz, CF
    75. jj-cf-stl – Vic Willis, P
    76. forsch31 – Al Dark, SS
    77. kscardfan – Matt Morris, P
    78. gscottar – Gary Gaetti, 3B
    79. Nigel T – Mort Cooper, P
    80. stlcard25 – Bobby Wallace, SS
    81. mudville – Tyler O’Neill, LF

    Round 10

    82. mudville – Harrison Bader, CF
    83. stlcard – Max Lanier, P
    84. Nigel T – Eric Davis LF
    85. gscottar – Curt Simmons, P
    86. kscardfan – George Hendrick, RF
    87. forsch31 – Minnie Minoso, LF
    88. jj-cf-stl – John Joseph McGraw, SS
    89. bicyclemike – Eddie Stanky, 2B
    90. flood21 – Troy Glaus, 3B

    Round 11

    91. flood21 – Lon Warneke, P
    92. bicyclemike – Slim Sallee, P
    93. jj-cf-stl – Howie Pollet, P
    94. forsch31 – Walker Cooper, C
    95. kscardfan – Joaquin Andujar, P
    96. gscottar – John Lackey, P
    97. Nigel T – Edgar Renteria, SS
    98. stlcard25 – Matt Carpenter, IF
    99. mudville – Julian Javier, 2B

    Round 12

    100.mudville – Andres Galarraga, 1B
    101. stlcard25 – Tom Henke, P
    102. Nigel T – Bobby Bonilla, UT
    103. gscottar – Pedro Guerrero, UT
    104. kscardfan – Danny Cox, P
    105. forsch31 – Lance Lynn , P
    106. jj-cf-stl – Troy Percival, P
    107. bicyclemike – At bat
    108. flood21 – On deck

    #179065
    stlcard25
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    A few thoughts as we are getting to the home stretch here…

    -Remember that one of your 16 picks must be a manager and they must have managed the St Louis Cardinals. I know some of us have players who became managers, but we’ll have the extra slot for a dedicated manager. May end up being the same guy, or perhaps players will play on one team and manage another!

    -The strategy of the game has been quite interesting, and should be fun to see how the lineups end up looking when we are totally done. Some went with the guys from their most familiar era, some were WAR deep divers, some mixed it up, etc.

    -There are a few guys I’d love to take that didn’t meet the “1 full year/2 partial year” threshold. There are also a few guys from the pre-Cardinals American Association/Browns era I’d love to take…one biggie. But I do like the way our rules are set up and we’ve had a lot of good picks.

    #179067
    jj-cf-stl
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    Time out plz. Don’t pick yet BikeMike, I need a ruling from the commish.

    stlcard25, I now realize Troy Percival was signed 6-8-2007 and did not play the full 2007 season as a Cardinal. Tell us what happens next so BikeMike can pick.

    #179069
    jj-cf-stl
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    Rule #6 (page 2 this thread) ?

    That would make my pick #106 a comp pick, which I’m good with.

    #179070
    stlcard25
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    jj, I would call Percival eligible. I believe he missed time after an injury, which is why he signed late? Not like he played for any other team that year. I was more trying to rule out one and done trade deadline acquisitions (like Jon Lester) or guys who were signed for Spring Training or never played for the Cards in the regular season (Juan Gonzalez comes to mind).

    In past cases, we have allowed for a new pick if the player made one before the next pick. I’m fine with that as well in this case. I’ll let you make that call if you’re not comfortable with your pick.

    #179071
    jj-cf-stl
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    Percival is not a high end pick, so I’ll keep him with no regrets. I mostly wanted to acknowledge how valuable he was in a non-save role for us, much like Garcia was in mid-inning relief. Plus Percival has career saves if cast in that role.

    Proceed Mike. All good.

    #179073
    bicyclemike
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    Thanks guys. I have my remaining picks in mind, but we will see if they are available when the time comes to choose my club.

    Here is a guy I considered grabbing maybe three rounds ago, but went a different route. In my mind, a strong case can be made for this guy as a Famer, but you never hear about him today. He was certainly a much better player than Harold Baines. His career was on par with new Hall of Famer Minnie Minoso. Early in his career he looked to be a certain future Hall of Famer, a five tool guy, but tended to be a bit inconsistent. Still a solid career. His one year with us was not what the Cardinals had hoped for, as he was injured part of the time and the guys we gave up were much better. Grew up in the same general neighborhood as other young Reds players in the late ’50s including Curt Flood. Not too mention Frank Robinson and basketball great Bill Russell.

    107 – bicyclemike – Vada Pinson, OF

    Pinson has a higher WAR than my Hall of Fame firstbasemam, so if I wanted to build a lineup solely based on WAR I would put Pinson in center, move Jose Cruz to right, and play Stan at first, where he played over 1000 games.

    But we are not creating full roster teams. Still a very solid player.

    #179074
    flood21
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    108. Jerry Reuss P

    109. Reggie Sanders – Bench OF

    #179075
    Nigel T
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    Great pick with Pinson. I had forgotten about him.

    #179076
    bicyclemike
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    Thanks Nigel. As mentioned I considered Pinson earlier, but thought I better complete my positions first and get solid players in all 8 spots before going with an extra guy. His WAR is higher than a lot of Hall of Famers, like the aforementioned Harold Baines, plus the likes of Jim Rice, Lou Brock, and newcomer Tony Oliva. Brock certainly belongs as he has the extra excellence as an elite base stealer and fabulous World Series performer. Pinson out-WAR’s newcomer Gil Hodges as well, but Hodges is deserving in my opinion when you add that he was the Miracle Mets manager. Still I am not sure why Pinson does not get the same consideration as someone like Dick Allen, or our own Ted Simmons who finally got in.

    StLcard25 mentioned the early years of the franchise and there is a guy that has been on my radar the last few rounds that I am going to go ahead and bring on board with this pick. Quite a few years ago the site did a “Top 40 Cardinals of All Time” list, that Brian and some other well-versed Cardinal historians put together. I followed and “played along at home” if you will, creating my own list and then bantering back and forth about the difference in my list to the TCN panel’s rankings. I had a couple of old Browns players on my list, including this guy.

    110 – bicyclemike – Bob Caruthers, P

    #179077
    Nigel T
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    That man won 40 games twice.

    #179078
    jj-cf-stl
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    111. jj-cf-stl – Chick Hafey, CF

    #179079
    stlcard25
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    StLcard25 mentioned the early years of the franchise and there is a guy that has been on my radar the last few rounds that I am going to go ahead and bring on board with this pick. Quite a few years ago the site did a β€œTop 40 Cardinals of All Time” list, that Brian and some other well-versed Cardinal historians put together. I followed and β€œplayed along at home” if you will, creating my own list and then bantering back and forth about the difference in my list to the TCN panel’s rankings. I had a couple of old Browns players on my list, including this guy.

    110 – bicyclemike – Bob Caruthers, P

    That’s the guy I wanted, bikemike…but I considered him ineligible since he never played for a team called the St Louis Cardinals. BRef considers him a Cardinal but I’m not sure about the team. He did play for the Browns in 1892, which the team seems to acknowledge as part of their history, unlike the 1880s American Association teams.

    Caruthers is undoubtedly one of the top 5 two way players in the game’s history. BRef has him in the top 10 in team history in both OPS+ and ERA+.

    #179080
    forsch31
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    Well, Flood and JJ took 2 of the guys I was looking at this round. I guess I’ll get the first manager:

    112. forsch31 – Billy Southworth,. HOF Manager.

    #179081
    bicyclemike
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    There is some controversy on the true beginnings of the Cardinals franchise. Brian and I have brought this up before on threads related to Cardinal history. The “official” beginning of the franchise recognized by the organization is 1892, as that is when the club joined the National League.

    But just about every media source you look at about the Cardinals history starts in 1882. That is when the organization that is now the St. Louis Cardinals was formed, and first started playing what is recognized as major league baseball. Long time sportswriter and legendary reporter Bob Broeg wrote a book in 1981 titled “100 Years Of Cardinals Baseball”. Look at the team histories on Baseball Reference and they have the Redbirds beginning in 1882. I don’t understand why the franchise today removes the first 10 years of their history, which includes four pennants. I believe Brian said that there are four teams that agreed to use 1892 as their start year, despite actually starting earlier, although I am not sure of the reason why they do that.

    So anyway, that is a brief look at the topic. It is sort of a touchy subject for me as I am firmly in the camp of 1882 being the franchise’s birth. Yet the club seems to disregard their true history and only count their National League time. To me that is like having the Astros disregard their National League years today and restart their origins to when they became an American League team.

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