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Round 16
136. mudville – David Eckstein, UT
137. stlcard25 – Spud Davis, C
138. Nigel T – Delino DeShields, 2B
139. gscottar – Branch Rickey, Manager
140. kscardfan – Bake McBride, UT
141. forsch31 – At bat
142. jj-cf-stl – On deck
143. bicyclemike
144. flood21Well, we are down to the last four selections. Two players have to fill out player slots (one position player, one pitcher), and two have yet to select a manager. It would be interesting to see what sort of team could be put together with the leftovers. I’d imagine it would be a pretty solid club, itself. The Cards have a rich history, and this has been a lot of fun to participate in.
For my last pick, I think I will go with someone who doesn’t have flashy numbers or great WAR numbers. They are the original “swiss pocket knife” (IMO) for the Cardinals. They can come off my bench and fill in wherever is needed. His knickname is: The Secret Weapon.
141. forsch31 – Jose Oquendo, Bench.
Round 16
136. mudville – David Eckstein, UT
137. stlcard25 – Spud Davis, C
138. Nigel T – Delino DeShields, 2B
139. gscottar – Branch Rickey, Manager
140. kscardfan – Bake McBride, UT
141. forsch31 – Jose Oquendo, UT
142. jj-cf-stl – Miller Huggins, Manager
143. bicyclemike – At bat
144. flood21 – On deckMy team needs one more pitcher, and there are two guys who are almost clones of each other. They had parallel careers, which include stints with the Cardinals of course, and were physically similar.
Both were starters early in their careers, and had success as bullpen pitchers later. You could toss a coin and get about the same guy.
I decided to go with the one who won an MVP and a boatload of gold gloves. He was mostly a throw-in from us on the famous Brock-Broglio deal, being near the end of a very good career. He is still with us today in his 90s. A nice way to finish up my roster.
143. bicyclemike – Bobby Shantz, P
Thank you for doing this. Enjoyed it. A lot of good players left Out. Todd Worrell? Wow.
I tried to stick with players that played a significant amount of time with the Cards. Here are just a few I thought were worth some consideration.
LF- Bobby Tolan —–Bernard Gilkey , Jerry Mumphrey,
SS -Jhonny Peralta
CF- Rick Ankiel ——— Terry Moore – Jon Jay
3B- Ken Oberkfell ——- Ken Reitz,Todd Zeile, David Freese,Fernando Tatis,
1B- Ripper Collins ——-
RF- Jose Cardenal———Mark Whiten,
C- Tom Pagnozzi ——— Terry Kennedy
2B- Kolten Wong
P – Ray Sadecki
P – Joe Magrane
p – John Denny
P -Michael Wacha
P -Carlos Martinez ——- Todd Worrell, Ernie Broglio, Jaime Garcia ,Al Hrabosky , Ken Hill -,Dick Hughes ( 1 year wonder ) , Joe Hoerner , Harvey Haddix , Bob Tewksbury , Pete Vucovich -Jose DeleonHere are some that just visted–John Smoltz — Fernando Valenzuela -Mike Torrez -Bob Horner – Tom Brunansky – Tino Martinez, Will Clark,
That ends our draft!! Great picks, everybody!
Round 1
1. flood21- Bob Gibson, P
2. bicyclemike- Stan Musial, LF
3. jj-cf-stl- Cy Young, P
4. forsch31- Rogers Hornsby, 2B
5. kscardfan- Albert Pujols, 1B
6. gscottar-Dizzy Dean, P
7. Nigel T-Nolan Arenado, 3B
8. stlcard25-Steve Carlton, P
9. mudville-Yadier Molina, CRound 2
10. mudville-Ozzie Smith, SS
11. stlcard25-Scott Rolen, 3B
12. Nigel T – Ted Simmons, C
13. gscottar – Lou Brock, OF
14. kscardfan – Garry Templeton, SS
15. forsch31 – Pete Alexander, P
16. jj-cf-stl – Ken Boyer, 3B
17. bicyclemike – Joe Torre, 3B
18. flood21 – Larry Walker, OFRound 3
19. flood21 – Jim Edmonds, CF
20. bicyclemike – Joe Medwick, LF
21. jj-cf-stl – Keith Hernandez, 1B
22. forsch31 – Johnny Mize, 1B
23. kscardfan – Ray Lankford, CF
24. gscottar – Willie McGee, CF
25. Nigel T – Mark McGwire, 1B
26. stlcard25 – Paul Goldschmidt, 1B
27. mudville – Bruce Sutter, PRound 4
28. mudville – Chris Carpenter, P
29. stlcard25 – Frankie Frisch, 2B
30. Nigel T – Adam Wainwright, P
31. gscottar – Jack Clark, 1B
32. kscardfan – Red Schoendienst, 2B
33. forsch31 – Enos Slaughter, RF
34. jj-cf-stl – Lance Berkman, RF
35. bicyclemike – Mordecai Brown, P
36. flood21 – Orlando Cepeda, 1BRound 5
37. flood21 – Carlos Beltran, OF
38. bicyclemike – Jim Bottomley, 1B
39. jj-cf-stl – Matt Holliday, LF
40. forsch31 – Harry Breechen, P
41. kscardfan – Bill White, 1B
42. gscottar – Tommy Herr, 2B
43. Nigel T – Reggie Smith, RF
44. stlcard25 – Dazzy Vance, P
45. mudville – Brian Jordan, RFRound 6
46. mudville – John Tudor, P
47. stlcard25 – Dick Allen, LF
48 Nigel T – Bobby Bonds CF
49. gscottar- Tim McCarver C
50. kscardfan – Vince Coleman, LF
51.forsch31 – Curt Flood, CF
52. jj-cf-stl – Kid Nichols, P
53 bicyclemike – Burleigh Grimes, P
54. flood21 – Placido Polanco, 2BRound 7
55. flood21 – Dennis Eckersley, P
56. bicyclemike – Dick Groat, SS
57. jj-cf-stl – Gene Tenace, C
58. forsch31 – Whitey Kurowski, 3B
59. kscardfan – Tony Pena, C
60. gscottar – Roger Maris, RF
61. Nigel T – Jesse Haines, P
62. stlcard25 – JD Drew, RF
63. mudville – Pepper Martin, OFRound 8
64. mudville – Lee Smith, P
65. stlcard25- Andy Van Slyke, CF
66. Nigel T – Jim Kaat P
67. gscottar – Marty Marion, SS
68. kscardfan – Bob Forsch, P
69. forsch31 – Larry Jackson, P
70. jj-cf-stl – Miller Huggins, 2B
71. bicyclemike – Roger Bresnahan, C
72. flood21 – Darrell Porter, CRound 9
73. flood21 – Rafael Furcal, SS
74. bicyclemike – Jose Cruz, CF
75. jj-cf-stl – Vic Willis, P
76. forsch31 – Al Dark, SS
77. kscardfan – Matt Morris, P
78. gscottar – Gary Gaetti, 3B
79. Nigel T – Mort Cooper, P
80. stlcard25 – Bobby Wallace, SSRound 10
82. mudville – Harrison Bader, CF
83. stlcard – Max Lanier, P
84. Nigel T – Eric Davis LF
85. gscottar – Curt Simmons, P
86. kscardfan – George Hendrick, RF
87. forsch31 – Minnie Minoso, LF
88. jj-cf-stl – John Joseph McGraw, SS
89. bicyclemike – Eddie Stanky, 2B
90. flood21 – Troy Glaus, 3BRound 11
91. flood21 – Lon Warneke, P
92. bicyclemike – Slim Sallee, P
93. jj-cf-stl – Howie Pollet, P
94. forsch31 – Walker Cooper, C
95. kscardfan – Joaquin Andujar, P
96. gscottar – John Lackey, P
97. Nigel T – Edgar Renteria, SS
98. stlcard25 – Matt Carpenter, IF
99. mudville – Julian Javier, 2BRound 12
100.mudville – Andres Galarraga, 1B
101. stlcard25 – Tom Henke, P
102. Nigel T – Bobby Bonilla, UT
103. gscottar – Pedro Guerrero, UT
104. kscardfan – Danny Cox, P
105. forsch31 – Lance Lynn , P
106. jj-cf-stl – Troy Percival, P
107. bicyclemike – Vada Pinson, OF
108. flood21 – Jerry Reuss, PRound 13
109. flood21 – Reggie Sanders, OF
110. bicyclemike – Bob Caruthers, P
111. jj-cf-stl – Chick Hafey, CF
112. forsch31 – Billy Southworth, Manager
113. kscardfan – Rick Ankiel, P
114. gscottar – Andy Benes, P
115. Nigel T – Gregg Jeffries, UT
116. stlcard25 – Jesse Burkett, OF
117. mudville – Mark Mulder, PRound 14
118. mudville – Ryan Ludwick, OF
119. stlcard25 – Jack Flaherty, P
120. Nigel T – Mike Cuellar, P
121. gscottar – Dan Quisenberry, P
122. kscardfan – Mike Shannon, UT
123. Forsch31 – Jason Isringhausen, P
124. jj-cf-stl- Jake Beckley, UT
125 bicyclemike – Ed Konetchy, IF
126. flood21 – Dan Haren, PRound 15
127. flood21 – Terry Pendleton, UT
128. bicyclemike – Johnny Keane, Manager
129. jj-cf-stl – Solly Hemus, UT
130 forsch31 – Lonnie Smith, UT
131. kscardfan – Joe Torre, Manager
132. gscottar – Ron Gant, OF
133. Nigel T- Whitey Herzog, Manager
134. stlcard25 – Tony Larussa, Manager
135. mudville- Mike Shildt, ManagerRound 16
136. mudville – David Eckstein, UT
137. stlcard25 – Spud Davis, C
138. Nigel T – Delino DeShields, 2B
139. gscottar – Branch Rickey, Manager
140. kscardfan – Bake McBride, UT
141. forsch31 – Jose Oquendo, UT
142. jj-cf-stl – Miller Huggins, Manager
143. bicyclemike – Bobby Shantz, P
144. flood21 – Red Schoendist, ManagerJohn Denny was really quite good. I think he ended up around 36 war.
The player I came away most impressed with is Paul Dejong. He is basically a young Marty Marion with Ron Gant’s bat. I nearly picked him for both SS and finally 2nd base. I just felt he hadn’t earned this status.
The other player who shocked me was Mean Al. I recall him being invincible. The numbers suggested otherwise. It made me question the numbers; I still think I would pick Hrobosky over any other LH reliever this side of Billy Wagner.
So what’s next? It’s getting late and I’ve been working on a spreadsheet off and on today that is now complete. Data, data, data. Anyway, tomorrow I will share how the playoffs will work. But for tonight, here’s a sneak peak at a few of the stats I’ve compiled for all of the drafted players:
5880.5 WAR
3925.8 WAR for position players
1954.7 WAR for pitchers
Approx 118 OPS+ and 118 ERA+
17173 HR
86542 Runs
81820 RBI
15929 Steals
7632-5466 W-L Record
65508 Ks
38 combined Cy Young/MVP Awards
173 Gold Gloves
401 All Star appearancesThat’s a winner! See you tomorrow.
C- Tom Pagnozzi ——— Terry Kennedy
The guy I was considering taking most of the time after Mort Walker was picked was Matt Wieters. We remember him the last couple years, but he was pretty good early in his career in Baltimore. 4 All Stars and 2 Gold Gloves. I ended up digging a little deeper and couldn’t pass up a guy named Spud. Ha.
Very cool project. Thanks for putting this together stlcard25! KS has a lot of names that that I am sure most of us mulled over a time or two.
Another guy I looked at was Hoyt Wilhelm. But he fell a couple weeks shy of playing a full season with us so he barely missed the eligibility requirement.
Needing a pitcher for my last spot I thought about both John Denny and the Mad Hungarian. But it came down to one of three lefties, with the third guy yet another good pitcher not listed, Bill Sherdel. And another good one I considered was righty Lindy McDaniel.
The Cardinals have had some players!
A few guys from my younger Cardinal watching years that I at least thought about a little… Fernando Viña, Todd Stottylmire, Pat Hentgen.
I have a feeling that if we do this exercise again in 5 years, Dylan Carlson will be an easy pick for someone. His trajectory looks really good for someone his age. We will see about guys like Libby, Stormin Gorman and Jordan Walker, who could be the next round of stars.
Finally, I had to give a little nod to Oscar Taveras. Oh how I wish we had gotten to see what he could have become. Dumb, dumb decisions we make as youth and some pay a massive price.
The guy I was considering taking most of the time after Mort Walker was picked was Matt Wieters.
Sorry, just saw this but I meant Walker Cooper. Had a sort of Mort Cooper, Walker Cooper amalgam going on there. Lol.
This was a lot of fun. A great way to get us through the lockout. There were so many interesting players that we left out too.
David Green
Alan Craig
Fernando Vina
Ted Sizemore
Dal Maxvill
Leo Durocher
Tony Scott
Joe Cunningham
Sixto Lezcano
Terry Moore
David Freese
Mark Whiten
Dane Iorg
Mike Tyson
Tom Lawless
Roger Freed
Joe McEwing
Bo Hart
Rex Hudler
Rick Wise
Nelson Briles
Kyle Loshe
Ernie Broglio
Jeff Suppan
Paul Dean
Ray Washburn
Ryan Franklin
Mark Littel
Ken DayleyOne guy that I almost used was Rick Sutcliffe but I couldn’t pull the trigger because he was too much of a Cub for me.
Round 9, pick 81 is missing from your draft ending master list.
81. Mudville – Tyler O’Neill
I know what happened there. The site does not like to let you scroll highlight for copy and paste on mobile. The end of Round 9 is as far as it would let me go and still copy the text. Must be just before the end of round 9 was the actual cutoff. TON is in all the other places I have the picks catalogued.
The guy who was really better than you thought was Ron Fairly. I only remember him as a lefty pinch hitter like Rusty Staub. In reality his totals were like Staub. He would have been a real UT steal late.
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