2022 CBA negotiations

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  • #180403
    blingboy
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    Cardinals minor leaguers report this Sat March 5.

    Thanks DK

    #180407
    BlackHillsCard
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    #180411
    jj-cf-stl
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    That would explain a lot.

    #180414
    blingboy
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    I do not fault the owners for following an advantageous strategy. It sounds like they were smart going about negotiating the TV contracts. It puts the players union in a position where they would have to hold out the whole season and post season to put a financial pinch on owners. They will probably cave before that, IMO. On a local note, I imagine companies that lease space at Ballpark Village have to keep on paying rent while they ride it out.

    #180415
    ZTR
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    Many, many people / businesses are impacted by the MLB lock out well beyond owners & players.

    The covid shutdowns / capacity restrictions impacted almost everyone but the service industries got hit the hardest.

    Rampant inflation is pinching all of us right now as fuel prices coupled with supply chain issues are driving the price of almost everything up.

    The general situation isn’t really great for most folks right now due to reasons far beyond their control.

    I don’t have a lot of patience or sympathy for baseball’s ‘self inflicted wound’.

    #180416
    blingboy
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    When it is said and done, the millionaires on both sides will still be millionaires, and the little people will dust themselves off and que up for more abuse.

    #180417
    Ratsbuddy
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    Are we close to getting the Federal government involved in this? Can’t President Biden assign a federal mediator(s) to resolve this issue?

    #180418
    Brian Walton
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    Speaking of the innocent people hurt by the lockout, it is the players who are helping them out financially.

    #180419
    Brian Walton
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    Meal money? My goodness!

    #180420
    gscottar
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    Are we close to getting the Federal government involved in this? Can’t President Biden assign a federal mediator(s) to resolve this issue?

    It might get to that at some point but I would imagine Biden has bigger fish to fry at the moment considering the situation in Ukraine.

    #180426
    SoonerinNC
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    Some have been quite critical about the teams records not being public. Private companies do not show their records. While MLB teams may not want to show their real finances so the players will not demand more there are other reasons for staying private.

    Most companies go public to raise money to expand and develop new products. Also it is a significant pain to go public and sell stock because of government regulations and red tape. Small companies used to go public early but of late they can’t afford to until they are big enough to handle the extra cost and manpower to navigate the regulatory system. The retail investor like many of us don’t get the chances to cash in on a new company going public as they did when Apple and others went public. I really don’t know why Atlanta became a public company. Major league teams are not expanding. They just wiped out my minor league fun with their contraction which took Johnson City out.

    One of the big companies still private in Chick-Fil=Et. I would jump all over a chance to invest in that company. Somehow they have managed a massive expansion without going public.

    #180427
    Brian Walton
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    Sooner asked:

    I really don’t know why Atlanta became a public company.

    Because they are part of a publicly traded company, Liberty Media. They are not hurting as they also own Sirius/XM and Formula One Racing.

    IMO, the issue with baseball is that most financial observers believe that MLB is not being honest about its finances. When Bill DeWitt recently said, “Baseball is not very profitable”, BS meters all across the country went off. Although, with the right creative accounting, that can probably be spun.

    Without materially hurting their businesses, owners could afford to pay all players more – MLB and minors alike. They choose not to. The minors players have no say in the matter which is precisely why their conditions have been bad for decades. MLB players would be in the same boat today if they hadn’t organized.

    The difference with Chik-Fil-A is that if I don’t want to patronize them, I can go to Popeye’s or KFC and still get a pretty good chicken sandwich. On the other hand, MLB is essentially a monopoly – with the support of our government.

    #180428
    jj-cf-stl
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    I was just going to wait this out without picking a villan, but the info BlackHillsCard shared about the TV money has swayed me.
    I was assuming both parties would lose money if games were cancelled, but it seems the owners will profit while the players lose salary.
    This hidden agenda of TV $, and the owners lockout stall tactic, is the opposite of bargaining “in good faith”, by the owners.

    #180429
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    I don’t think the govt has any business getting officially involved in this negotiation.

    Baseball, like any other form of entertainment, is not essential.

    Like anyone else, politicians can have an opinion but that needs to be the extent of their involvement unless they want to change the legal status of MLB that allows it to operate as a ‘legal monopoly’.

    Doing that would surely stir things up, lol.

    #180434
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    I am thinking the relatively short term loss of a missed season would be for the long term good. Owners, players, vendors, media companies, everybody loses big money, except for the fans. Maybe they are all overplaying their hands considering that it is all unessential and becoming more so as time goes by.

    #180450
    Ratsbuddy
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    They were meeting today (Sunday). Anybody have any news regarding that?

    #180451
    Nathan Leopold Jr.
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    I’m surprised they are meeting. That’s suggestive.

    #180453
    CardsRedSox4Ever
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    They were meeting today (Sunday). Anybody have any news regarding that?

    https://www.si.com/mlb/rangers/news/cba-negotiations-deadlocked-mlb-mlbpa-lockout

    Still deadlocked as of today’s meeting (6 March).

    #180460
    ZTR
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    I wonder what each side really wants to get to a deal and what they might actually compromise on?

    If it has gotten emotional on both sides and / or the owner’s intent is to break / weaken the player’s union then we might be in for the long haul here.

    #180465
    gscottar
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    Some have been quite critical about the teams records not being public. Private companies do not show their records. While MLB teams may not want to show their real finances so the players will not demand more there are other reasons for staying private.

    Except the salaries for their players are public.

    #180467
    Brian Walton
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    This feels like a reasonable summary.

    #180470
    Ratsbuddy
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    #180471
    Brian Walton
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    No, Rats. Heyman’s tweet said this…

    “…subject to those agreements fitting into a total deal.”

    Items come on and off the table and others get changed as tradeoffs are made. Nothing is set until the agreement is signed.

    #180473
    Brian Walton
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    #180493
    BlackHillsCard
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    Not sure the appropriate place for this but considering this thread is about money, MLB has a new a TV partner. MLB just loves making it harder for fans to watch their teams play instead of grown the damn game.

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