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It’s Tuesday evening. Any word on how things went in the meetings today? Something about we are at zero hour to get 162 games in.
The union is not go to accept the league’s latest offer. This is where the league should have started at when they locked the players out.
MLB's written proposal has been submitted to the union. Everything remains fluid as they negotiate deep into the night:
_Luxury tax: $230 million that escalates to about $242 million.
_Minimum salary: $700,000 that escalates to about $770,000
_Pre-arbitration pool: $40 million— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) March 9, 2022
Some more flushing of the details:
MLB’s proposal, sources tell me and @Ken_Rosenthal:
• Luxury tax thresholds: 230, 232, 236, 240, 242⁰
• Prearb pool: 40m, flat over time
• Pool counts against CBT (1.33m per team)
•Minimum salary: 700, 715, 730, 750, 770(cont’d)
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 9, 2022
In MLB’s proposal, sources tell me and @Ken_Rosenthal, all rule changes MLB would want could be expedited, not just select ones like pitch clock, larger bases and shift. Can’t be expedited in season though — only in offseason
• Draft lottery at 6 picks. MLB was at 5 previously.
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 9, 2022
Another meaningless deadline passed. The good news is that the two sides are working.
MLB official says the Players Association requested to speak to its board again early tomorrow before coming back with a proposal, and the PA will be getting back to MLB tomorrow morning. So, to be clear, MLB is not canceling games at this moment right now.
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) March 9, 2022
If the above is actually the MLB proposal, then it’s a decent offer. I’m actually a little shocked that they moved as much as they did (after saying that the previous offer was “too generous” for several owners). Hopefully they can all get their ducks in a row and get a deal done in the next day or two.
Here is why MLB can afford to move. The longer they wait, the stupider the owners look in their cries of not being profitable.
Spoke to someone in the baseball industry today who said MLB has several big revenue deals in the hopper. MLB is waiting for a new CBA with players to announce. Only reason Apple deal came to light is Apple disclosed MLB streaming deal at their event.
— Allan Walsh🏒 (@walsha) March 8, 2022
This morning on the MLB Network Tom Verducci says he expects a deal to be done today! I hope he’s right.
And something about the season would start April 7 and still be 162 games. I hope he’s right here too.
Fingers are crossed…….
Watching MLB Network is going to get you the owners perspective. Owners have consistently leaked info intended to pressure the players and make them look bad with the public when they don’t accept the offer. They set deadlines that they consistently ignore.
When the players say a deal is close, then I will pay attention. Haven’t seen anything close to that yet.
Having said that, we all hope the end is near. I just wouldn’t bet on it soon. These are very complex matters.
However, I would bet my (meager) life savings that if a deal isn’t done today, the owners will blame the players for more regular season games being canceled and the loss of 162 (when we all know the impact of losing a few weeks in April is not a biggie to the owners to get more of what they want).
The owners don’t want a 162 games this year. The offer they gave last night ahould have been the offer they started with.
It ain’t gettin’ done today…
International draft “non-starter” for Latin players and might not be acceptable to union even with major MLB give, sources tell @TheAthletic. Union in latest proposal still wants qualifying offer eliminated, as well as higher CBT thresholds and pre-arb pool than MLB has offered.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) March 9, 2022
The idea being – per this agent – that MLB submitted something to the PA that they knew they wouldn't be able to fully commit to, before their "deadline." Again, just speculation, but interesting.
— Alex Coffey (@byalexcoffey) March 9, 2022
This helps explain why once 162 is officially dead, that the list of items to be negotiated gets even longer.
A player vote would consist of all 30 player-union reps and eight subcommittee members, with a majority carrying the day, source tells @bnicholsonsmith and me. Situation fluid. If no deal, future talks complicated by shortened sked, 162-game pay and service time considerations.
— Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi) March 9, 2022
Personally I think there should be an international draft. It may have some downside for some players but from what I have read the current system is full of corruption because of certain handlers and agents.
https://twitter.com/arturomarcano/status/1501533580366946305
There are significant complexities in implementing an international draft. I am not against the CONCEPT, but NOT without significant details and time to study the ramifications. Bringing this up at seemingly the last minute could lead to a bad implementation if not fully fleshed out.
Maybe it was on the table before and just not reported, but it smells like another “slip something big in at the last minute and hope they don’t notice”.
A money summary…
MLB and the players union are now awfully close on minimum salaries proposals.
The MLBPA is now proposing $710,000 and rising to $780,000.
MLB proposed $700,000, rising to $770,000.
They are total of $22 million apart in luxury tax thresholds; $175 million apart in pre-arb pool— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) March 9, 2022
Maybe it was on the table before and just not reported, but it smells like another “slip something big in at the last minute and hope they don’t notice”.
I dont think its so much as hoping the players dont realize as its the owners knowing the players will reject the offer and trying to turn pr against the PA.
No deal done today either. MLB has cancelled another week of games. Earliest that Opening Day can be now is April 14. Goodbye 162 game season.
— Jack Flaherty (@jflare_) March 10, 2022
I was in FL. We never offered the Int’l Draft. We did discuss it, but MLB told us they were NOT going to offer anything for it. At that point, we informed all players & agreed to no draft.
This is MLB muddying the waters & deflecting blame. Fans, pls hang in there with us.
— Max Scherzer (@Max_Scherzer) March 10, 2022
Is there a worse organization in the sporting world than MLB? It’s insane the mind games they try to play with their fans by planting these BS stories and then trying to blame the only guys who provide any value to the sport as though they were offering some sort of concession.
It would be insane to offer you final offer immediately. That would establish the offer as one that would require further concessions unless both sides started with a final offer. An then it would not be final.
An international draft would fix a lot of abuse. Of course the Latin players would object to one and the rest of the players will go along with that. Like most other things the wide open international scene mostbenefits the fat cats. Yankees, Red Sox, et al.But I feel that the game would be better off with an international draft.
I spent a career mostly in human resources which game me a unique picture of both the management and employee view point. Generally a good number of persons had difficulty understanding the other point of view. I don’t have enough information to know if one side is more unreasonable than the other. Most Americans will naturally support the employees. Hollywood and the media does a good job of villifying management.
SoonerinNC said:
Most Americans will naturally support the employees.
That has not been the case historically in baseball. Until now, the majority of fans sided with owners in work stoppages. This is the first time the support flipped. This article shows the change in views over time.
You blame it on media “villifying” management, but there are also many who mouth the party line in return for access and the information that comes with it – or in some cases, to protect their own job.
As a fan, I am appreciative of the more in depth reporting that the internet age has brought us. There is a lot to sort through, but I feel I have better information that helps me to form more informed opinions. Beats being in the dark.
To my earlier point, the devil is in the details, about which few understand or care.
If and when the PA and the owners continue the discussion about the international draft, this issue needs to be addressed: The international slot $ allocations should be identical to what players get in the domestic draft. As it stands in proposed system, a big $ difference.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) March 10, 2022
https://twitter.com/MarlyRiveraESPN/status/1501922249808482311
First thing I’ve heard in days that actually makes sense. Two sticky issues off the table for this round.
MLB and the MLBPA agreed that they have until July 25 to reach a deal on an international draft that would start in 2024, a source tells ESPN. If a deal is reached, the qualifying offer will vanish. If no deal, the QO will return and the international system will remain the same.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) March 10, 2022
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