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  • #169899
    bccran
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    Because he grew up in St. Louis. Played little league ball, traveling team ball and pitched at Parkway Central High School here. Then pitched at U. of Missouri in Columbia, MO. Only 120 miles from St. Louis.

    #169902
    1982 willie
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    I didn’t know that bccran, thanks. Still not sure a lot of people think like that anymore though. Maybe when they first come up but later in life, people have other priorities. Has he said he was a cardinal fan.

    #169907
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    Scherzer hasnt really ever volunteered the info that he’d love to play for the bfib etc ala mark buehrle- in fact when asked hes pretty much said he has no allegiance to the area/team.

    That being said hes the type of pitcher big guys might end up not favoring and we could come out on top anyway. Regardless i get the feeling we aren’t getting any kind of hometown discount

    #169908
    bccran
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    Scherzer has stated publicly that he’d like to pitch for the Cardinals…

    #169909
    blingboy
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    I give Cards signing Scherzer a 0% probability. Less than that even.

    #169911
    mudville
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    Scherzer will be 3 months shy of his 38 th birthday as the 2022 season gets underway. I don’t know what kind of contract he will ‘demand’. But I sure hope the Cardinals don’t give it to him. We’re shedding two bad contracts after this season. Please, Mo, don’t replace them with more bad contracts. Speaking of bad contracts, Andrew Miller will collect every penny of the millions promised him by Mo regardless of where he is or what he’s doing in September. His contributions to the team have been minimal. When Mikolas gets activated, I think they should DFA Andrew Miller.

    #169912
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    Scherzer too old. Better to go after a younger Starter. Ray, Pineda, Stroman, Gausman… Flaherty, Ray?, Hudson, Kim, Waino, Reyes, Oviedo etc..If in contention come Aug then look for a Scherzer.

    #169913
    Ratsbuddy
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    So what are the odds that Lester, Happ, and LeBlanc are in the Cards rotation in 2022?

    #169914
    PugsleyAddams
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    Happ – 13%

    LeBlanc – 75%

    Lester – 4%

    #169915
    grayssportsalmanac
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    If scherzer has said hed like to play for the cardinals he sure hasnt been very emphatic about lobbying for it. I have no doubt everything else equal he would like be close to home- but that implies money is equal . Ive heard dan mclaughlin imply more than once that hes inferred its a relatively unimportant factor when it comes to a contract negotiation- who knows.

    #169916
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    I didn’t realize he was 37-38. Seems pretty risky. Will he come on a 1 year – 10 million deal like Wainwright did?

    #169928
    bccran
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    Great question about Leblanc, Lester, and Happ. Which one would be the best fit for augmenting the 2022 rotation? A lefty if they don’t bring Kim back?

    #169935
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    I know Scherzer is from Missouri but usually sentiment doesn’t mean as much as cash. I am skeptical we will overpay to get him.

    I would definitely be in favor of bringing LeBlanc back and maybe Happ too. Lester hasn’t impressed me as much. As for the bullpen I think we should strongly consider bringing back McFarland and Garcia. They have been much better than our vaunted internal options.

    #169937
    Brian Walton
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    #170039
    Cardinals27
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    If Scherzer were to sign with us, whatever the odds, what is the length and value of his contract? I’m thinking he’ll get an offer from some team, maybe 3 years, 100 plus million? He is getting up there in age, but has been very durable.

    #170061
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    I think Scherzer will get at least 3 years/$75M on his next deal and maybe more if a bidding war breaks out. If the Dodgers, Angels, Padres, and Giants start bidding on him I don’t see Mo winning that battle.

    When is the last time we signed an elite level free agent from outside the organization? It rarely happens. Mo can land the middle tier free agents (Jhonny Peralta, Dexter Fowler, Mike Leake, Greg Holland, Andrew Miller, Miles Mikolas (international), Kwang hyun-Kim (international), but not the elite free agents. To get elite level talent we usually do it by trades.

    We also have to consider that we are already paying big money to Arenado and Goldy with Mikolas not too far behind. We don’t need our payroll to get too top heavy where we can’t afford to fill out the roster with quality depth.

    #170067
    Brian Walton
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    #170073
    PadsFS
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    Our currently signed stable of pitchers includes Flaherty, Mikolas, Hudson, Oviedo, and, I guess, Poncedeleon.

    In AAA, Liberatore is pretty close, but he should stay in AAA if possible given he would only be 22 years old.

    I think they should definitely re-sign both Wainwright and Kim. The short-term commitment would give us much better stability given the very fragile group listed above. To me, it certainly makes sense to sign a Scherzer or a Verlander to go along with this group above. We are obviously in a win-now mode so having a rotation of FA starter, Wainwright, Flaherty, then a half a dozen unknowns is pretty crucial.

    #170394
    bccran
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    Pads – totally agree that they should re-sign both Waino and Kim. And go hard after Scherzer. Would also sign Lester to a one year deal.

    #170421
    gscottar
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    Happ has performed better than Lester for the Cardinals. I would take LeBlanc over Lester too.

    #170428
    gscottar
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    I would say these two are currently our two best bullpen options.

    #170429
    grayssportsalmanac
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    I can see 3 yrs for scherzer- no way someone gives him a mid 20s aav however. I just think other clubs will feel money is better spent elsewhere- including (hopefully) the cardinals. Hes a hall of famer – but i dont want him into his 40s.

    #170430
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    No to Scherzer unless he would agree to a one year deal maybe with a mutual option for a second year. Not much chance of that happening. Happ looks like he would be okay on a one year contract. But the problem with that is that he would know that it’s his last contract, and, IMO, that takes away a player’s drive since he knows his career is coming to a close regardless of what he does. The best thing would be for Mo to trade for a pitcher that was still in his prime. The last thing I want to see is for the Cardinals to take on bad contract since, for the first time in awhile, they won’t have one on the books.

    #170447
    bccran
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    I’d only go with Lester because of his playoff experience.

    #170472
    blingboy
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    Between Wainwright, Flaherty, Hudson and Mikolas, I think the Cards brass will feel confident that any two will likely be healthy and in the rotation at all times next season. They will consider that the top of the rotation covered and will not be looking to pay another top of rotation guy, or take a chance on that kind of contract. They will look to bring in one or two work-a-day horse types to eat middle/bottom of rotation innings. Our magical list of arms can fill in around that. I am not sure what they can do about filling in the holes in the rotations at Memphis and Springfield. Besides the magical list of arms I mean.

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