August 28, 2021 at 8:56 am #170970
That’s interesting. We always talk about Yadi for the Hall, but rarely Waino.August 28, 2021 at 9:01 am #170971ZTRParticipantFree
The was a long list of possibilities before 2021 started. I do not trust this list nor the coaching staff or organization to be good in 2022 status quo.
Additions and changes need to be made.August 28, 2021 at 9:07 am #170972
It’s a season later, ZTR. Takes awhile for prospects to develop. Oviedo and Libby are just about ready. Put them with Flaherty, Hudson, Mikolas, Kim, and Waino and it’s pretty strong.August 28, 2021 at 9:17 am #170974
No use fretting over it ZTR. The laundry list crowd loves their fixer uppers and wannabes.August 28, 2021 at 9:31 am #170976
BB – I’m afraid few teams would ever have a perfect rotation of guys who are all at the peak of their careers and who have never had any injury issues. I believe and declare that’s utopian. And even with that, you’d still have to have 3 or 4 guys in the wings. Including stretched out guys at the AAA level ready to step in as best as they can.August 28, 2021 at 9:49 am #170979
Flaherty – TBD
Hudson – rehab guy looks OK so far, will know more soon
Kim probably – would be good 6th starter, can go 5 sometimes
Mikolas – IL fixture rehab guy looks sort of OKish, will no more soon
Wainwright – 40 year old stud still going strong
Reyes – extensive history of not staying healthy wants to push luck starting
Happ maybe – 99 year old guy on fumes but can still do 5+
Lester maybe – 99 year old guy on fumes, check engine light on
LeBlanc maybe – 99 year old injured guy
Libby – hyped guy magically beamed to top of system without much track record of dominance at upper level
Oviedo – 2020 beamed up guy not ready for prime time, looks like maybe #4-5 starter at best
Woodford – under .500 with 1.4ish WHIP in minors, emergency warm body for MPB rotation
Thompson – Beam up guy with 15 IP below AAA where he’s been pummeled. August WHIP 1.4 – 1.5 ish.
Rondon – 6th year in system, been a .500 pitcher the whole time. Warm body for 2022 rotation.
What could go wrong.August 28, 2021 at 9:51 am #170980ZTRParticipantFree
Between injuries and scrap heap specials not to mention trying to crystal ball player development it would be nice to add a couple of legitimate middle of the rotation starters…..August 28, 2021 at 10:06 am #170985
You can detail the same kinds of things about guys in almost every rotation in the majors, BB. Nothing new. Again, you’re looking for utopia.August 28, 2021 at 10:20 am #170988
Agree ZTR. By the end of the season or so there will be some clarity as to Waino, Flaherty, Mikolas and Hudson. We will have a better idea of whether a couple will be enough.August 28, 2021 at 10:40 am #170990
I get a kick out of guys who “categorize”
players. Like the description of Rondon. Sure, Rondon has been in the minors for 6 years. He was signed when he was very young is only 23 right now. Sure he is .500 with wins and losses. A fairly meaningless stat which depends on the team around you, both offensively and defensively. But no mention that his ERA as a minor leaguer is in the low 3s. And that he’s getting valuable experience at Memphis this season.
Oviedo? You’re right, he was beamed up.
He was signed very young and is also only 23. They say he has great stuff, and is trying to work now on control.
No one can predict if he will be a 4/5, 3/4, or 2/3.August 28, 2021 at 11:17 am #170993
Among the AAA crowd I am most optimistic about Rondon for a reason. If he can maintain a good ERA and WHIP as a regular in the AAA rotation he could be a helpful rotation piece some time next year.
I hope Oviedo is successful working on whatever he is working on. Before he beamed up he had a 5.65 ERA and 1.6+ WHIP at Springfield. I am not optimistic about a guy who didn’t actually pitch his way out of AA and has been regularly and thoroughly beat up on in AAA whatever they say about his stuff. If he is successful as a regular in the AAA rotation next year I will be both surprised and happy for him.August 28, 2021 at 11:38 am #170994
It seems like we might see Liberatore this year some time. He seems to be growing into the AAA rotation slot after having been beamed up from A ball. I hope they slow down with him, let him have more than a handful of dominant AAA starts and look at a debut sometime next year. Ideally, a Hudson 2018 type thing, 20 or so AAA starts and bring him up end of July.August 28, 2021 at 1:31 pm #170999grayssportsalmanacParticipantFree
That’s interesting. We always talk about Yadi for the Hall, but rarely Waino.
I always think about waino vs. mike mussina when it comes to resume. Always consistently good and some great years where he was one of the best in baseball but never really THE best. They both have rings but no cya. Somehow mussina was seen as a no doubt HOF yet adam will prob fall off after a few years. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense but i digress..if you take wins out of the equation i think waino is objectively the better pitcher..off topic i digress!August 28, 2021 at 2:55 pm #171003
if you take wins out of the equation
Funny. Actually, our whole system is pretty good at that this year.August 28, 2021 at 5:35 pm #171014mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
I think Wainwright’s humanitarian efforts should be at least considered when deciding whether he should be in the HOF.August 28, 2021 at 5:50 pm #1710161982 willieParticipantPaid - Annual
I love waino but he isn’t a hall of fame player. The cardinal hall of fame yes, but not MLB. Not even close.August 28, 2021 at 6:50 pm #171018stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
I did a hypothetical on Waino in the off-season…his lost injury years ruined his HOF case but with how good he’s been in 2021, had he stayed healthier he would have had a shot.August 28, 2021 at 8:47 pm #171044
Who knows, if Wainwright goes another few years and gets a lot starts against the Pirates, he might be a shoo-in for the HOF.August 28, 2021 at 9:00 pm #171049kscardfanParticipantFree
Mudville the HOF should be based on their play, imo. Is why Rose belongs.August 28, 2021 at 9:01 pm #171050kscardfanParticipantFree
Great outing Waino.August 28, 2021 at 9:09 pm #171054
Ha! Carlson thought he flew out to Alford in LF and was going back to the dugout. Goldy laughed at him and pointed for him to go run around the bases for a homerun.August 28, 2021 at 9:16 pm #171059
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bcc…. Ponce called…. he said that you left him off of your list and that he is a possibility.August 29, 2021 at 1:08 pm #171135mudvilleParticipantPaid - AnnualSeptember 2, 2021 at 4:57 pm #171475Brian WaltonKeymasterPaid - Annual
Adam Wainwright is the National League Pitcher of the Month for August.
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