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Something interesting after this season the Cardinals have a lot of money coming off the books on basically 4 contracts, and as of now outside of Helsley (likely to be traded?) they have no current player on the team that would command big money with a new deal
They lose after 2025:
Mikolas…..17.6 million 2025 salary
Matz…………….12.5 million 2025 salary
Fedde………..7.5 million 2025 salaryHelsley’s 8.5 million 2025 salary as he is a free agent after the year
That would be roughly $46 million coming off the books going into 2026, assuming they don’t resign any of those 4.
That is coming off a reduction in salary from 2024 into 2025 of roughly $38 million.
Yes their current 2026 payroll is:
Gray-35M
Arenado-22M
Contreras-18MArbitration and leage minimum players.
KCB – IMO they got fixated on trading Arenado and finally realized that they weren’t going to both dump a lot of salary and also get a top prospect or two. Perhaps other opportunities were missed during that fixation. But mainly, I think the organization wanted Bloom to have as much flexibility going forward as possible. That also tied their hands, to the consternation of those fans who wanted a big splash or two this off season. Especially with free agents or trades for guys who have fairly long contracts.
And Bills best case is Arenado gone, so 26′ could be…
35mil Gray
05 Arenado
18 Contreras
30 ten Arbs (no chance)
13 at 1 mil, is a 26man
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101mil and it’s bloated. Leaves us plenty of room to add. With Arenado in 26′, add 22mil, which is already in MIL / KC range. TBD.I take back all the mean things I said about Arenado during the offseason. I’m glad to have his defense back, and if he shows up with the same offense he had in 2024, I’ll still be okay.
It sounds like Arenado is finally growing up. And, in my experience, that’s right about on schedule for a Millennial, which is what he is. Nowadays, young people are under a lot of pressure. They have all those texts to keep up with and all those video games that require attention well into the night. That barely gives them time for practicing if the kid is an athlete or apprentice of some sort, or studying if the kid is a student. Congratulations to Nolan Arenado, and welcome back.
Cranny I didn’t expect or want any kind of free agent signing or trades that took on expensive veteran contracts. I wanted the opposite. I am/was for a rebuild. And I don’t entirely blame that failure on our front office.
Of the ten Central teams in mlb, nine currently have a projected EOY 40man under 150mil. The Cubs are on pace for 196.4mil (12th).
KCB –
I don’t think the Cardinals were bound and determined to increase their number of good prospects this off season. If that were the case, they would probably have traded Helsley and
Fedde. They probably think they have some really good prospects already in the system that just need to be developed better.GScott:Your final analysis is irrefutable. I simply like to look at what might be happening below the surface. I could easily see both MO and the Dewitts believing that this team will hit better than last year’s. The only thing they have to replicate is the bullpen, and volatility dictated churn rather than cash.
Since they believe the results will actually improve, they were willing to take the heat (since they literally saved tens of millions of dollars in doing so), and they would end up no worse for the wear if the team wins 84 or 85 games.I don’t think the Cardinals were bound and determined to increase their number of good prospects this off season. If that were the case, they would probably have traded Helsley and
Fedde. They probably think they have some really good prospects already in the system that just need to be developed better.I think both of these things are true. But we’ve all seen how prospects go. No-one gets more exited about these guys than me. But the success rate is low. I thought we should have traded Fedde and Helsley. That’s where the best prospects would have come from. Flood the system with guy’s aquired from our current assets. Especially since all three guys they were planning on trading excercised their no trades.
I only see three assets without a NTC, that have any trade value in the next two FA classes. Helsley, Fedde and Romero.
Were you expecting Donovan, Noot and King, the next FA class, to be traded this winter?
I’d prefer 0-3 service year players for Helsley and Fedde, possibly an arb1 in Donny’s service class.
No JJ. The guys with expiring contracts whom we aren’t signing. Fedde and Helsley. If Helsley has a good season, would we give him a qualifying offer? Would anyone sign him with him having the qo?
No JJ. The guys with expiring contracts whom we aren’t signing. Fedde and Helsley. If Helsley has a good season, would we give him a qualifying offer? Would anyone sign him with him having the qo?
Why wouldn’t they? Lock down closers are always in high demand, so if Helsley is out there, someone will sign him.
Hold and flip both at the deadline. They are paid down by 66% by then, so the trade return will be there.
Riskier? Yes. Dump both now and we risk 2023 again. Pick your poison.
Well this a different twist from the original story. This says Nado did initially approve Houston then backed out.
When John Mozeliak approached Arenado about trading him, Arenado provided him with a list of five teams he’d consider waiving his NTC for: BOS, NYY, LAD, SD and HOU.
So why did Arenado ultimately block a trade to the Astros? https://t.co/PTeyBk4ivq pic.twitter.com/LZFc1Dt8J9
— Katie Woo (@katiejwoo) February 21, 2025
Unless the Cardinals have a much different financial outlook at the end of the year I would doubt they would offer Helsley the QO because they would be afraid he would accept it. Probably a moot point anyway because I expect him to be traded in July.
I was wondering why Mo put in all that effort to trade NA to the Astros, only to have him nix the deal. Now it’s a lot clearer. NA pulled a reverse on him. Not good.
I hadn’t really thought about if he would accept it. I figured he would be looking for a longer deal. But I agree with the trade deadline deal. Him Fedde and Arenado. As long as we aren’t somehow in contention for the division.
I think Arenado was probably good with going to Houston, and then about the time the Cardinals had a deal worked out the Astros dealt Tucker and it appeared they were going to pull back some and not go all out for 2025. Nolan was probably like, “Whoa, this might not be so good after all. Better to stay where I have some stability and see if something else can be worked out that will be better.”
Just my speculation.
Then Mo either didn’t wait for Arenado’s answer before he “leaked”, or announced a failed trade proposal afterwards, to set up a villain for his failures.
Anything in your link we could call new news GS? ( because I can’t read it)
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