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Does anyone remember what Walker’s trade value was a year ago? I know it was discussed a lot some time back before the pay wall moved, so I am sure I could find it in an old thread, but I’m too lazy.
I don’t recall the exact number but I think BTV has his value about triple what it is now. The Cards would definitely be selling low on him right now unless they think his value is not going to go back up.
From my memory, Walker was worth around $60M surplus value at his peak. I found a post from May of 2022 (in a Soto trade thread) that had him about $50M then and I believe he bumped up from there.
Just for giggles and to show how much values can change…
As of May 18 2022:
Carlson 51.9M
Walker 50.4M
O’Neill 45.4M
Gorman 32.4M
Liberatore 23.7M
Herrera 14.9M
Winn 8MHigh 50’s wasn’t it? W/his service time over 1 yr now that past value naturally falls, w/out considering field value.
Should Mo cash in, or hold on Walker? How do you see his value going forward?
I know you prospect gurus know who Thorpe is. This type acquisition as a long play, fits the rebuild best. I’m less invested in this postseason, and more invested in the rotation long term.
Walker plus, and I’ll add.
100% agree. I’m not sold on Thorpe though. I’m not sold on trading for a young potential ace at all due to injury risk. I favor snagging top end starting help at the deadline for reasons previously covered. It’s tempting though, and looks good on paper.
Young controllable starters was the game plan. I’m past pitcher injuries and see it more as a given. A clean history is a plus, but no guarantee. The SEA rotation is what i hope to see built. Start stockpiling, endorse the risk.
My concern with Walker is that he is on the Carlson glidepath where two years from now his value is zero. I know he is still young but it would be tempting for me to cash in now. Of course if the Cardinals do that he would immediately go in Adolis Garcia mode and be a perennial all star elsewhere. It is a tough call but that is why guys like Mo get the big bucks.
I think Mo won’t trade Walker because of his potential. But power hitter types don’t get better or stay better in the Cardinals system. They stall and fade out. All of them. There is 6 days left, so we will see what happens pretty soon. Mo’s latest effort to kick the can down the road. Keep Bill believing in that handful of magic beans. He’s got Carlson and Herrera in the chum bucket, so we will see what he can reel in.
Astros, Braves, Cardinals Reportedly Interested In Zach Eflin https://t.co/rUS2DKlOtm pic.twitter.com/6DGLwwzBCz
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) July 25, 2024
I think that headline is fake news. What the story says is ” . . . the Astros, Braves and Cardinals are “among the teams expected to have strong interest” in the righty.”
So some unnamed source says the Cardinals are expected to have interest in this Rays starter. Well, if the Rays are shopping him, I’m sure the Cardinals would be interested.
I think MLBTR is getting into the click bait business like SI.
If you are a fan of acquiring Eflin, this is another article w/a link and story, that you don’t have to go chase down.
I get ticked off because the Rays seem to end up with this kind of guy. Pretty nondescript until they get him, and then ba-zing he goes 16-8.
He beat his bad handedness split last season (vs LHB) and it changed his results. It’s a 1.5 seasons trend now, which is easy to buy into.
Rays must have tweeked his arsenal to overcome that flaw. We’re going through the same thing w/Pallante and Libby, etc.; trying to develop a solution to bad handedness splits.
I hope you saw his career splits by year. Splits are so important to competing well.
The Rays are notorious for their pitching injuries. Their whole philosophy is squeeze every ounce of velo and spin rate out of a pitcher they can. That is why many of these guys pop up and are good for them out of no where, and then get injured in a few years.
Arenado is now 240 PA’s deep in forgetting how to hit lefties, so “splits” again. Same 1.5 season sample as Eflins. Splits can change a players overall numbers.
The Rays rarely lose trades. The Cardinals would be wise not to pursue this.
The Rays fleeced the Cardinals on the Randy/Libby trade. They got maximum production from Randy while he was cheap then flipped him yesterday to the Mariners for two decent prospects just as Randy was starting to get expensive.
JJ, the platoon spit is probably the most egregious example of a stat that is rolled out when it supports the proffered narrative or swept under the rug when it doesn’t. When is the last time you saw anybody mention Winn’s 75 point platoon split, for example? The answer is never. The notion that a batter with barely a .300 OBP vs lefties has no business leading off against them is an obvious one, especially when the offense sucks and everybody is talking about it, yet all the pundits, bloggers and Cardinals media types added together mention it exactly never. That is just an example, not picking on him. You may have a legit point, but still, I wish you could find something besides platoon splits to base the narrative upon. Do it for me, will you? 🙂
Bling, I would never mention Winns’ splits because he doesn’t have a bad side. 98 ops+ vs 112. It’s guys that go from career ~.900 ops to ~.600 “split”, as Elfin and Arenado have, that see their career value rise and fall.
Oli leads off Winn to use a R/L/R stagger. It keeps his bronze busts higher. He could use my preferred L/R/L but in a full stagger, but that drives the bronze busts down to batting 6 and 8.
Exactly. Good example of sweeping it under the rug. You see the point, then. .300 is still .300, and when it is leading off, the offense is at a disadvantege right off the bat. As soon as somebody rolls out platoon splits, my eyes roll back in my head.
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