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Who would you deal for a really good, (#3 type minimum), established, fairly contract controlled for a couple seasons, starting pitcher?
There’s some depth at 2B. I’d consder trading Gorman before Walker for a young stud starting pitcher. Considering realistic trade value, Nootbaar and Hererra would be my first choices to trade for a fairly high level starting pitcher with some contract control. No doubt in my mind, Mo needs to acquire one, somehow.
Is the lineup for the first game in the doubleheader today against Atlanta signalling that Gorman may be shopped around for the right high end starting pitcher?
Considering all the other capable 2B. And Gorman’s horrendous K rate. Wonder if Mo will shop him before the deadline for a much needed front line starter with some contract control for the future.
If Mo can pull off a savvy trade or two. The Cardinals could be a force in the second half of the season. Carlson and Hererra are obvious trade chips. Are Goldschmidt, Gorman, Nootbaar, Walker and Scott, too?
According to the “talking heads” there doesn’t seem to be a pitcher we are not interested in acquiring. Fansided and some others believe the Mariners are needing a 2d baseman. We happen to have a 2d baseman who could provide some offensive pop toa relative weak hitting ball club. Where do the Cards stand if we trade Gorman and … for a pair of the Seattle pitchers? Possibly, Edman back to his natural position. OF backlog eased a bit, opening the door for MLB looksee at some of our AAA and AA guys. After seeing Albies’ freak injury yesterday, I realize you can’t see the future, but FO has got to step up.
At this point, anyone can throw out anything and it can’t be disproven. My experience is that the Cards usually acquire guys that basically no one had mentioned previously. We will see what happens this time. The deadline is only eight days away – July 30 – so this won’t drag out too long. Should be an interesting week across MLB.
I don’t see Seattle taking Gorman as I have said previously in this thread. They are toward the top of the league in K% and want someone who can get on base. While Gorman’s value is down, he still has some, but it takes the other side being interested.
Agreed with Brian about the Cards trading for guys out of no where. Someone reported the Cards are interested in Fedde, which I could definitely see. But it also could be a smoke screen.
We definitely need a #3 SP. Out rotation ranks in the bottom 3rd or close to it in most ranks which is where I had them coming into the year. Lynn is regressing back to what you expect of him. Gray is due for a good amount of positive regression.
Rankings with 90 inning cutoff to include Lynn who was supposed to be an innings eater, but he isn’t qualified despite not missing any starts. With a 90 inning cutoff, there are 88 pitchers in MLB.
Gray – 3.54 ERA (37th), 2.89 FIP (9th)
Gibson – 3.99 ERA (62nd), 4.08 FIP (59th)
Lynn – 4.39 ERA (72nd), 4.41 FIP (67th)
Mikolas – 5.02 ERA (82nd), 4.34 FIP (70th)Potential Targets
Fedde – 2.99 ERA (14th), 3.53 FIP (25th)
Kikuchi – 4.54 ERA (75th), 3.59 FIP (32nd)
Bassitt – 3.71 ERA (50th), 3.86 FIP (47th)
Flaherty – 3.13 ERA (20th), 3.16 FIP (16th)When buying, you care more about what about what they will do when they get here rather than what they did though, and Mo has done good with that at past deadlines.
I would be looking at Kikuchi. He has really under performed his expected stats, and is likely due for a good amount of positive regression. He will have a lower cost, and another benefit is he is a LHP, which we have none of in our rotation. Depending on playoff matchups, having a couple of LHP options is very important.
Looking around more, Zack Littel from TB could be another option that I haven’t heard much about. Littel has 2 years of control like Fedde, but without a history of many IP.
Littel – 4.26 ERA (71st), 3.78 FIP (43rd)
Adding Pallante as I missed him with IP cutoff
Pallante – 4.21 ERA, 4.05 FIP
I hope Fedde is on the Cardinal radar. He would be a fine addition.
Report: Cardinals Have "Strong Interest" In Erick Fedde https://t.co/fqy3yPMYZy pic.twitter.com/zUFyhujeGI
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) July 21, 2024
I think they will continue with Pallante at the 5 and not give up what teams are going to want for SP. I mentioned Bassitt before because Toronto is over the luxury tax and shedding the money of Bassitt, Green, IKF and their pending FA in other deals gets them well under and able to retool for 2025. But they also want to compete in 2025 being the last year of control of Vlad Jr. and Bichette. So don’t think they would trade Bassitt, but you never know.
I’d love to add Bassitt and be able to go with Gray, Bassitt, Gibson, Mikolas, Lynn. Move Pallante back to the pen. I think the 5 they have now will get them to the playoffs, but what scares me is what if there’s an injury to a SP after the deadline? It would be a nice luxury to be able to pull Pallante back into the rotation, because without a SP acquisition where do they go?
But I suspect they will add a RP to move Roycroft back to AAA and get a veteran middle innings guy who’s able to do some setup if needed. Kinda like Straton was a few years ago. And let it ride and that’s all we’ll see with the continued explanation of not being able to add salary and the cost to add was too high. Which it very well could be with as few team are completely out of it right now.Fedde would check off a lot of boxes though. His performance this year would slot him in as the number 2 starter for the Cardinals which would make their postseason rotation look much stronger. He is relatively cheap dollar wise and is under control for 2025. The cost for him would be the trade capital necessary to to get him.
You willing to give up Herrera, McGreevy, Graceffo, and probably a 4th lesser prospect for Fedde and Brebbia? Because I assume that’s probably close to what it would take to get him, maybe more.
As far as the meat of the 40 man, not the 4As, there are 4 guys who might go, IMO. Herrera, Carlson, Goldschmidt and Gorman. Herrera and Carlson because they don’t have a job, and Goldy and Gorman because they have been buried at the bottom of the lineup.
Gorman has the homers and RBIs that attract attention. If it comes to a bidding war for a prime piece, Gorman is the gold chip Mo can slide out onto the table that will have guys folding.
I wonder if Mo read where O’Neill just hit a pair of 450 foot homers.
Why do you think Goldy would waive his no-trade protection? I don’t give it more than 1% chance of happening. I think he’ll ride it out until the end of the season, then decide whether to retire or play another year elsewhere.
A no-trade can be bought out. I don’t know if it would happen obviously. But if he is not moved, it is because he isn’t worth anything, rather than the no-trade being an obstacle. And, yes, it hurts to speak of him that way, but just being matter of fact.
You willing to give up Herrera, McGreevy, Graceffo, and probably a 4th lesser prospect for Fedde and Brebbia? Because I assume that’s probably close to what it would take to get him, maybe more.
Yes that sounds about right. I would do that although I would rather have Pham than Brebbia.
Herrera and Carlson should definitely be trade bait.
Gorman less so although it is possible if a big return is coming back the other way.
I find it very very hard to believe the Cardinals would trade Paul Goldschmidt in the midst of a playoff push. Has anyone looked at the standings lately?
I do not think I would trade a potential high quality piece for Thorpe. He’s not the next Dylan Cease. His K rate dropped to 5.6 per 9 IP, his walk rate spiked to 4 per 9, his k/BB is 1.4 and his BABiP against is .165. They haven’t figured out how to square up yet but I think they will. Yes, I know, he beamed up from AA, so what do you expect? That is the point I have often made in the case of guys who arrive sans a normal development progression. You don’t know what to expect.
He might be a solid mid rotation guy, but the injury risk with pitchers would ultimately tip the scale against the trade. The bottom line, of course, is we need to produce enough of our own mid rotation guys to stay ahead of the attrition. We can’t even produce one.
Drew Thorpe
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Jordan WalkerHow much do I need to add?
BTV Values:
Walker – 18.6
Thorpe – 20.8Cards would have to chip in a little more.
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