Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2024-2026

[jj-cf-stl]

MLB avg R/G for 2024 is 4.4
Our R/G for 2024 is 4.10

Our first 40 games our R/G was 3.4
Our last 50 games our R/G is 4.7

We were “anemic” the first 40 games.

[stlcard25]

If the Cards and White Sox worked out a deal: Luis Robert and a prospect for Nolan Gorman, Ivan Herrera, Tink Hence and Nick Dunn, would you take it?

Same deal for Garrett Crochet?

I’d probably do it for Robert.

[1toughdominican]

They’d have to throw in DeJong.

[jj-cf-stl]

I’d pass on Robert at that cost. Nice control and talent, but the injury history is too high risk.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

No chance I’d give up all of that for Robert.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Crochet would be a great target (2.5 years of control) but the asking price would be sky high.

Gorman, Thompson, McGreevy and one of the young relievers? Probably not close to enough.

[1toughdominican]

Toss in Gio and there’s no way they can resist.

[stlcard25]

I’d pass on Robert at that cost. Nice control and talent, but the injury history is too high risk.

I look at it as…are we set at catcher? Are we set at 2B? Are we ok with right and left handed bats? Other than right handed pop we are doing ok. We certainly need a CFer. Robert helps with both. I agree that the injury history is a risk, but the upside is tremendous.

Hence is the only one that would likely really hurt to lose, and even he is more of a “missing in 2026” type of hole and we’ve seen how trading pitching prospects rarely turns out badly for everyone else but us.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

It’s very unfortunate Edman won’t be back sooner so they know what they have a couple of weeks before the break. It will be a great roster crunch problem to have with most guys being back.

Examples: I don’t see how you keep Herrera’s bat in Memphis but I don’t see how you send Pages down either. It seems Sinai makes a run/rally saving catch every game, with Edman and Noot more than capable there, I’d guess Carlson is the odd man out.

Looking to next year, I’m sure they have to be expecting Walker in RF. Burley at 1st or LF?

[jj-cf-stl]

25, I’d prefer to focus on the pitching rebuild. Roberts possible salary I’d earmark towards the SP fund, and prioritize in keeping Hence.

[stlcard25]

25, I’d prefer to focus on the pitching rebuild. Roberts possible salary I’d earmark towards the SP fund, and prioritize in keeping Hence.

Fair enough. I’d like to get some pitching as well, although I don’t know if the Cards have the mettle to make a trade for a top starter or win a bidding war for one. We may be relegated to guys like Gray who are a bit older and willing to sign for a friendly deal.

On the other hand, I am starting to worry a bit about the offense in a few years. We are really dependent on having Walker and Gorman advance enough to fill the Goldy/Arenado void in the next couple years, because the rest of the lineup is looking like mostly 90-110 OPS+ guys.

[jj-cf-stl]

The lineup for 2025, nine deep, has 3 or more yrs of control. Next year our lefties start arb (Donny, Noot and Gorman super2 likely). If/When Goldy, Carp and Crawford walk, Arenado and Willson become the old men.

I’m much higher on the lineups production than most, so my focus is SP2 and SP3. 2 yrs of Crochet won’t land that package from me either. Too much, and they may get it.

[jj-cf-stl]

Edman in his walk year. Eight deep.
Out of sight, out of mind.

[stlcard25]

Again, I get it. The offense simply became a bit of an unexpected concern. If Gorman, Walker, Burleson and Winn consistently can be 120 OPS+ guys in addition to Contreras, then the lineup looks a lot better.

Any ideas on a SP trade target and what it might take to get before next year, JJ?

I feel like we are on track to sign Shane Bieber but we don’t take a lot of swings at injured guys unless it’s a stealth injury, it seems.

[gscottar]

Fedde makes the most sense to me since he is under control for 2025 and is cheap.

If we strictly go after a rental maybe we take another run at Scherzer. Does he have one last good run in him? It seems like we have been trying to acquire him for ten years.

[jj-cf-stl]

Quintana has rebounded from a poor May, with 7 GS, 2.15 era, gmsc 58.

Last 2 GS of 7 IP, 1 ER.

He shut us down in April, 8 IP, 1 ER.
IF he’s available.
FA-to-be.

[gscottar]

Yeah I mentioned Q a few weeks ago. Since then the Mets have climbed closer to a playoff spot but they might still make him available. I always liked him.

[mudville]

I could see Carlson traded for a reliever and a prospect.

Makes sense. Just make sure that the prospect is a high ceiling guy who is already having success. Carlson is on the verge of breaking out.

[Cards667]

Carlson, Leahy, Baker, Dunn(AAA), Lin(A), Matz (as salary swap) to Toronto for SP-Bassitt or Gausman, RP-Green or Richard’s, UT-Kiner-Falefa.
The baseball trade values website is a paid subscription now so I don’t know how close I am to reality but Bassit, Green, IKF is $40 million towards 2025 so the money drags their values down. Gausman is 1 million more than Bassitt but signed though 2026.

Vs RHP
1. Donovan LF (L)
2. Winn SS (R)
3. Burleson DH (L)
4. Arenado 3B (R)
5. Contreras C (R)
6. Nootbaar RF (L)
7. Goldschmidt 1B (R)
8. Gorman 2B (L)
9. Edman CF (S)
Carpenter DH/1B (L), IKF UT (R), Siani OF (L), Herrera C (R)

Vs LHP
1. Donovan LF (L)
2. Winn SS (R)
3. Goldschmidt 1B (R)
4. Arenado 3B (R)
5. Contreras DH (R)
6. Nootbaar RF (L)
7. Herrera C (R)
8. Gorman 2B (L)
9. Edman CF (S)
Carpenter, Burleson, IKF, Siani

1. Gray
2. Bassitt/Gausman
3. Gibson
4. Mikolas
5. Lynn

1. Pallante
2. Gallegos
3. King (L)
4. Green/Richards
5. Fernandez
6. Romero (L)
7. Kittredge
8. Helsley

Liberatore to AAA, but back on September 1 with Pages with roster expansion. Crawford DFA to make room for Herrera when he returns and opens the 40 man spot for Edman when he returns.

[jj-cf-stl]

I wanted Bassitt when OAK was selling off their starters. Then I wanted him as a FA. Late, but good target.

[stlcard25]

I hadn’t thought as much about the Blue Jays as trade partners, but they do make some sense. Each of Gausman and Bassitt has extra control as well, at not too terrible salary ($24M for Gausman, $22M for Bassitt).

[gscottar]

I ran the numbers through the BTV site. Here are the values:

Carlson- 1.2
Leahy- 1.2
Baker- 1.2
Dunn- 0.2
Lin- 2.7
Matz- (12.0)

Total- (5.5)

Bassitt- (5.5)
Green- (11.9)
IKF- 2.2

Total- (15.2)

So our players going to Toronto have a combined value of negative 5.5 and their players coming to us have a combined value of negative 15.2.

[Cards667]

Not terrible for off the top of my head. Toronto could pay some of Green’s contract (10.5 in 2024, and 10.5 for 2025), or swap out Richards (2.15 in 2024 then a FA) for Green, to make it work more financially. I wouldn’t mind getting Richards and Green, but I’m not sure that would work for Toronto and they could probably find more value in splitting them up in a trade. Cardinals would probably also have to give up on Gallegos and find someone to take his contract for the rest of the year to take on both of them. But Richards is from Effingham, IL and Green is from the St. Louis area in Illinois. One would think they would enjoy playing in St. Louis too.

[jj-cf-stl]

I don’t know the numbers for all, but looks like throw in GG to help the $ even up. They can cut him or whatever.

[Shady]

I’ve been claiming this for a while. With these inconsistent starting pitchers, some with some age, Mo needs have as a priority to make a bold trade for another quality starting pitcher before the trade deadline.

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