January 10, 2021 at 8:08 pm #151482
Lemahieu would make some sense if the Cards had any money to spend. Although you wonder what he’s really gonna be at 32+ with stints at Colorado and Yankee Stadium on his resume.January 11, 2021 at 9:07 am #151508
Based on what we have heard out of the Cardinal front office this winter signing a free agent who is going to want well north of $100M doesn’t seem likely to me. If you can’t give Wong $12M you aren’t going to give Lemahieu $100M+.
This sounds like his agent releasing something to the media to put pressure on the Yankees.
January 11, 2021 at 9:22 am #151512
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FWIW, that is my read, too, gscottar. I almost didn’t even post it, but I am expecting a segment about LeMahieu and the Cardinals ahead this afternoon on local talk radio… Even when there is nothing to talk about, they have to find something to talk about… 😉January 11, 2021 at 9:43 am #151517
We’re about due for Scott Boras to come out with his yearly diatribe on the Cardinals and how they make so much money every year and don’t spend it. Or will he take it easy after the rough 2020?January 11, 2021 at 9:52 am #151519
Boras did some version of his bad comedy schtick during the virtual winter meetings. I don’t know if he will criticize the Cardinals directly unless one of his clients fits their needs. He doesn’t rep Yadi or Waino.January 11, 2021 at 10:05 am #151521
Even Casino Jon doesn’t mention the Cardinals… but I bet $50 it will be asked about during Goold’s chat today…
As mentioned on @MLBNetwork the Yankees will go 4 years for DJ LeMahieu. There’s still a $ gap, however; it appears there’s still a standoff with all the very top free agents. Dodgers, Jays, Mets among others interested but it’ll still be a surprise if DJ leaves. #HotStove
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 11, 2021January 11, 2021 at 10:51 am #151526
We’re about due for Scott Boras to come out with his yearly diatribe on the Cardinals and how they make so much money every year and don’t spend it.
Boras doesn’t need to single out the Cardinals although I think there is a kernel of truth in the whole market size/payroll issue with the Cards, but that is just my opinion.
Boras did some version of his bad comedy schtick during the virtual winter meetings. I don’t know if he will criticize the Cardinals directly unless one of his clients fits their needs. He doesn’t rep Yadi or Waino.
If I am not mistaken the Cardinals have zero players represented by Boras. That is probably not a coincidence.
He seems to have a lot of players with the Nationals. He must get along well with Mark Lerner and Mike Rizzo.
I have been secretly hoping the Cardinals would make a run at Max Scherzer next winter but since he is a Boras client it probably won’t happen.January 11, 2021 at 10:59 am #151527
Matt Holliday was the Cardinals’ most recent high-profile Boras client that I recall. However, I will tell you from personal experience that Boras is very respectful of Bill DeWitt Jr. I base this on a discussion in DFW airport about five years ago.
Now, whether the feelings are mutual is another question! 😉
(I did not put everything that was said in this article.)January 11, 2021 at 3:25 pm #151535January 11, 2021 at 3:31 pm #151536
To be fair, the tag for the article says “(Spoiler: Probably Not)” and the article mentions that it is not a move the Cards would make, that the Cards probably just did their due diligence in kicking the tires and that will be it.January 11, 2021 at 3:59 pm #151538
Which means you learned nothing you didn’t already know before reading it. A nothing sandwich, IMO.January 12, 2021 at 8:39 am #151582
I think some Cardinal writers just feel obligated to write about anything and everything that mentions the Cardinal name even if the likelihood is very small.January 12, 2021 at 12:07 pm #151594thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
At least is something to talk about, who cares if it is far fetched? IF it is accurate that we looked in on him, and his agent is circling back to us after disappointment with NYY then for as small of a story it is, it IS a story. That other people want to look again, or maybe for the first time at DJ (I don’t remember anywhere from before that said we were interested at all in him this offseason) as an option then so be it.
If there were bigger stories in the Cardinals then I’d be first up to the plate to prefer to talk over discussions with more oomph and possibility… however, how many more articles are we going to read about Yadi, and Waino, and payroll being down, and whether there will be any additions and when/if, or whatever.
But we don’t all we have is some little tidbits that get us thinking about the Cardinals, and that is not a bad thing.
Who cares if DJ will sign with us or not? Why not think about it, even if out loud, and especially after a report that his agent has definitely talked with the Cardinals to some degree?January 12, 2021 at 12:08 pm #151595royhpistekParticipantFree
8 years since the last world series appearance. time to get rid of the dead weight. 1) trade with Cleveland for Jose Ramirez and Roberto Perez for (of) Jason Williams , (of) Tyler O’neil and p Carlos Martinez. a little more would not hurt. Ramirez can play outfield and 3rd base, switch hitter and only 8 or 9 million in 2021 and 11 million in 2022. Roberto Perez at catcher. would be up grade Yadi and cheaper. 2) trade or release Matt Carpenter he’s calling to strike out first is enough. trade with Texas for (of) David Dahl a left handed hitter should have been anyway. trade with teams talent is not that great,time to move on.January 12, 2021 at 1:17 pm #151599Nigel TParticipantPaid - Three Months
murmur, murmurJanuary 12, 2021 at 1:25 pm #151601
Royhpistek…welcome to the forum. It seems that your trade to Cleveland would be pretty light on Cleveland’s end. One clue for me is that I’d do that trade in a heartbeat. Ramirez is a very good hitter and solid defender who’s put up some big years. His contract is super reasonable going forward to. I would suspect that Carlson or Gorman at the least would have to go to Cleveland to make that trade happen, probably on top of the three you mentioned.January 12, 2021 at 3:10 pm #151604
Welcome, Roy!January 12, 2021 at 3:16 pm #151605
Yes, I might seem cranky about the LeMahieu “story” but here is where I am coming from.
First of all, and most importantly, his chances of playing second for the Cardinals in 2021 are only slightly better than mine – and I am a lefty of advancing age!
The Cardinals readily admit that they contact the agent of most every top free agent. They are gathering information on asking prices to guide them in their market evaluations, whether they are interested in the player or not. For LeMahieu, they apparently did that early in the free agent period but that was likely the end of it as well. (The Cards call it “doing due diligence”.)
Fast forward to now, the new December. LeMahieu’s agent is frustrated that the Yankees are not ponying up the Brinks truck so he turns up the heat by releasing to his media friends names of other teams that inquired. Whether they are really interested or not currently does not matter. The agent can say he reached out to the teams again, so it seems like current “news,” when in reality it is what happens all the time in free agency.
I bet the agents of every top free agent remaining on the market could do the exact same thing – mentioning the Cardinals – and if so, it would be equally worthless information at the very best. At the worst, it gets twisted into “rumors” by those who either don’t understand how the process works or just want clicks.
IMO, the latter is what the VEB article was after, by suggesting there might be substance where there isn’t any. That the tweet had a small disclaimer that the end mattered little. The title is what search engines grab.
End of gripe…January 12, 2021 at 4:40 pm #151606January 13, 2021 at 9:50 am #151641
We know for sure that the Cardinals are interested, so what would LeMahieu bring to the table?
Do we really know that for sure? I have my doubts.
Right now, the best reports on what LeMahieu is seeking is something around four years and $100M. For a 32-year-old who has shown declining defense and has always hit in a hitter’s park, that sounds a lot like the current predicament the Cardinals are in with Dexter Fowler’s contract.
This I agree with. We need to stay away from giving $100M to 32 year old players.
This is all about there being nothing else to talk about in the Cardinal cold stove league. Maybe Lemahieu mania will overtake Arenado mania, which replaced Harper mania, which replaced Machado mania, which replaced Stanton mania, etc…
January 13, 2021 at 10:16 am #151649
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Good points, gscottar. I’ve come around to believing that the Cards should never, ever sign a mid level free agent past two years again. The value is just not there. It’s ridiculous that a team would even think about signing a 32 year old to a $20-25M a year deal when there will be 27-29 year olds available for $25-30M next year who are likely to sustain a high level of play to where Lemahieu is at agewise right now.
Even if you could add two players for the price, what gives you the better chance at value…$30M a year for Seager or Lindor from ages 27-35, or $20M a year for ages 32-35 Lemahieu and $10M a year for ages 32-33 Brad Hand? Give me the former, 100% of the time.January 13, 2021 at 10:35 am #151651January 13, 2021 at 10:45 am #151655
I would pass on Benintendi. The VEB article properly states that he’s more likely to be an average hitter than someone like O’Neill (by the projections, anyway). I don’t see much more ceiling than that. He also has very little power. He’s being paid handsomely for that, considering his status. I’d rather just go with O’Neill, who provides better defensive value such that if both hit for the same slash line, O’Neill probably gives you another win on the glove alone. Or try to pry Nimmo away from the Mets, who brings more power and better overall OPS skills.January 15, 2021 at 7:01 am #151768January 15, 2021 at 7:14 am #151771
Will be interesting to see what he gets. He was never an option for St Louis, but it could open up the market for Kolten Wong.
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