November 16, 2020 at 7:50 am #147457
Is the power enough to overcome other concerns already mentioned?
Jonathan Schoop is an intriguing name to watch in free agency. At 29, he’s younger than the only free agent second basemen (LeMahieu and La Stella) who ranked ahead of him this year in OPS+. Schoop’s 109 HR since ‘16 rank third among everyday 2B. @MLB @MLBNetwork
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) November 16, 2020November 16, 2020 at 8:56 am #147478
One of the P-D writers had an article yesterday advocating for LaStella. I don’t know, the only way Schoop or LaStella would make sense is if they are a lot cheaper than Wong otherwise it would make sense to bring Wong back since he is by far the superior defensive player.November 16, 2020 at 8:57 am #147479
I also read in a MLBTR chat where someone posted that if Molina doesn’t return to the Cardinals what about a straight up trade of CMart for Gary Sanchez. Who would say no?November 16, 2020 at 9:06 am #147482
Heads up that jj posted this on the “2021 Rotation” thread just yesterday and there was some discussion about CMart and Sanchez there already.November 16, 2020 at 9:18 am #147488
Yep I just saw that. I will take my comments there on that trade idea.November 16, 2020 at 9:56 am #147500
Just a general observation but there are some in the industry who believe there could be a flurry of activity just before and after the December 2 non-tender deadline. Some teams may want to trade potential non-tender candidates so they can get something in return and then the players that are actually non-tendered could be signed cheaper than normal by other teams. There seems to be a consensus that more players than normal will be non-tendered this year due to revenue concerns.November 16, 2020 at 1:42 pm #147520November 16, 2020 at 2:38 pm #147521
This and the Ray deal speak well to the middle of the market, at least in the early returns.November 16, 2020 at 2:51 pm #147522
Perhaps the vaccines are giving teams a little more certainty in their models to make decisions on spending for next year. Of course, Atlanta only has $100M committed for next year anyway, even if you include Smyly. So perhaps they have more flexibility than some to begin with.November 16, 2020 at 5:55 pm #147526
Another question. Did Smyly take the rotation spot and the money that the Braves would have used on Waino? Only they know, but it could not have helped his chances there…November 16, 2020 at 6:22 pm #147527
Tough break for the Padres to lose their shiny new acquisition so quickly.November 16, 2020 at 8:26 pm #147533
Since we were talking Braves pitching, I found this very interesting…
The #Braves will have Josh Tomlin, Sean Newcomb and Huascar Ynoa as the bridge pitchers. But that's not enough. They will likely sign one or two more bridge pitchers, and there will be plenty of options available after the non-tenders. Bring back Felix or even Cole (for cheap). https://t.co/p7Xr5PE8e6
— BillShanks (@BillShanks) November 17, 2020November 16, 2020 at 9:25 pm #147535mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
I’d say that our ‘bridge pitchers’ are Gant, Helsley, maybe Cabrera and Reyes, and possibly CMart.
I’d like to see Cabrera and Reyes get a chance to start before they get pigeonholed as ‘bridge pitchers’.November 17, 2020 at 10:12 am #147563
Another question. Did Smyly take the rotation spot and the money that the Braves would have used on Waino? Only they know, but it could not have helped his chances there…
That is a good point. You wouldn’t think the Braves would sign two veteran free agent pitchers.
Also, I am surprised Smyly could get $11M at this time. He was ok in the abbreviated 2020 but prior to that has been ineffective or hurt for quite some time.
Would Waino want at least that much from the Cardinals? He has been every bit as good as Smyly the last two years. I doubt the Cardinals want to spend that much on him. Will there be a hometown discount?November 17, 2020 at 10:19 am #147564
I agree with you overall, but not on the last point. Smyly was FANASTIC in 2020. Added 2-3 MPH to his FB. Out of this world 37.8% K rate. 2.01 FIP. 8 years younger than Waino. If I was building a roster and could take one or the other, my choice wouldn’t be Waino. Apparently, the Braves saw it the same way, and in fact, may have overpaid to get Smyly.November 17, 2020 at 10:21 am #147565
Smyly may have gotten the Pomeranz bump. Will he be worth the money? Perhaps not, but it’s a small gamble long-term.November 17, 2020 at 10:38 am #147568
Smyly’s injury history would concern me. They say there is no such thing as a bad one year deal but I am not sure that is true. Greg Holland says hello.
Based on his previous deals the last two year Waino doesn’t seem to be worried about chasing the last dollar but I am sure he also wants to feel respected.November 17, 2020 at 10:56 am #147570
The Braves clearly don’t mind rolling the dice on short term deals. On the oft-injured veteran pitcher side, last year, it was Cole Hamels and it backfired. On the hitter side, Donaldson in 2019 and Ozuna in 2020 both paid off.
Let’s not forget that Waino has a checkered injury history as well and will turn 40 in August. The miles are going to show at some point.November 19, 2020 at 10:00 pm #147772
— 101 ESPN St. Louis (@101espn) November 20, 2020
Justin Upton (93 OPS+) was basically Dexter Fowler (92 OPS+) last season. Upton is only one year younger and will make $51 million the next two years. Why on earth would anyone think he could be a fit on the #stlcards?
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 20, 2020November 19, 2020 at 10:27 pm #147774Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
A big no to Upton. Look elsewhere. What is the non tender deadline?November 19, 2020 at 10:57 pm #147777
The non-tender deadline is December 2.November 20, 2020 at 9:18 am #147805
If the Cardinals were dumb enough to trade for Justin Upton then someone on Clark Avenue would need their head examined. We don’t need to do anything stupid to mess up next winter’s plans.November 20, 2020 at 9:24 am #147808
That’s a terrible idea. I’m not sure Adell is a sure thing, with his swing and miss issues. I would not want Upton, and I definitely wouldn’t want to give up Libby for that.November 20, 2020 at 11:19 am #147825mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
This just a bunch of nonsense being talked about by a radio personality having a slow day. BTW, there’s a really cool interview with Zack Thompson by all three of the hosts at 101.1, The Fast Lane, that happened yesterday afternoon (11-19-20). Search for their website and find the recording of yesterday afternoon’s show.November 20, 2020 at 11:30 am #147827
Mud, the show is nearly 3 hours long. Any idea how far into the show the Thompson interview is?
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