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I would have thought Miller’s 110 appearances would be prorated since it was a 2 year period. Not sure why playoff games don’t vpoiunt, but that could be a contract issue.
I took 222/324, .685 roughly and multiplied by 110, 75.37. This other way of calculation to me, doesn’t make sense, and it is slightly harder for him to make the number, but as long as he comes back from injury he should make it. Oh well, I guess we’ll see.In addition to Lance Lynn, the Texas Rangers have been discussing outfielder Joey Gallo in potential trades, sources tell ESPN. The price on both is high, and it's why one GM said "the Rangers hold the keys to the deadline." If they do sell, it's impact guys in pennant races.
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Not sure why playoff games don’t vpoiunt, but that could be a contract issue.
It is an MLB issue and is NOT unique to Miller. 14/7 is correct.
P.S. The playoffs are different and separate. Players are compensated in the post-season via a percentage of gate revenues. They also do not accrue service time in the playoffs. Stats from the playoffs are not part of career totals. That is just the way it is.
What about as part of a package for Lindor during the offseason? It might take something like that to get him. We would still have Flaherty, Hudson, Wainwright, Martinez, Gomber, Kim, Gant, maybe Reyes, maybe Cabrera with several ranked pitching prospects in sight. Oviedo is an exciting prospect. Besides his stuff, he appears to have the head to be a dominant pitcher. In fact, he might be untouchable. But then again, no pain, no gain. No Oviedo, no Lindor.
I would recommend the Cards test the water With Xander Bogaerts if they are in the market for a shortstop. He will be 28 next season and is under contract for five seasons with an option for a sixth. His career slash line is .288/.350/.454/.804 with an OPS+ of 113. The advantage is you are getting a quality mid-career player who you have under control. The asking price will be high. However, Boston desperately needs pitching.
Wouldn’t the Cardinals be better served to look for outfielders in the offseason rather than adding more infielders? They have so many infielders now, they are playing one out of position in the outfield. None of the current guys will be free agents.
Or if you are thinking of trading away Wong for a second baseman or DeJong for a shortstop, one has to assess how much more the player coming in might offer compared to the one leaving – the net gain (or loss).
The only way it would make sense to acquire a shortstop would be to either trade DeJong or move DeJong to 3B. If you move DeJong to 3B then Carp is DH only and Gorman might get blocked. There might be a way to figure that out but I agree that acquiring an OF would be a cleaner way to do it.
Bogaerts is a stopgap shortstop at best. He’s been at -10 DRS or worse every year except one in his career. Maybe they could trade for him to play 3B, I guess. The bat would probably suffice. But then we would be blocking Gorman, Montero, Nunez, Walker, etc in the future.
If the Cards were looking for some lefty pop on the trade market, I might consider a low key trade like Joc Pederson or a higher profile one like Max Kepler. Both are solid defenders and both hit RHP hard.
Pederson might be had for a swap of a guy like O’Neill, and could platoon with Thomas or fill in for injuries. He has had a .893 and .920 OPS against RHP the last two years, and a career .855 OPS against them.
Kepler has been better this year and last, although both guys had 36 HR last year. He has a career .802 OPS against righties but .845 last year and .924 this year. He’s a plus defender in RF, and could displaced Fowler from there to LF I guess. He’d cost more to get, I’d imagine. But the Twins will probably move on from someone soon to make room for Kiriloff, who I’d rather trade for, all things considered.
I think Pederson is about to become a free agent. I suppose the Dodgers could offer the QO but I doubt it. I have advocated for acquiring him before. He would be reasonable priced, not require a lengthy contract, and has some good pop and plays good defense.
David Peralta would be another one. He has two years of control remaining.
I also like Andrew Benintendi. He also has two years of control left. Even though he has had a down year this year his asking price would be high.
IMO, and I think i have said it a bunch over the years, is for guys with good AVG…whether you like AVG or not I do…walks are great and all, but AVG means you put the bat on the ball to get on base. Also, IMO guys that can make contact can be extremely helpful when they get outs.
As we have seen during the year, and several past ones, we squander our opportunities with men on base. And the most frustrating versions of that are the FREE runs we give away because we can’t move guys over or get them in on sac flies or grounders.
Hr’s are boring, and their perceived value makes the gaem look a lot more like HR derby than baseball IMO. I get the stats can tell other things, but for me personally baseball is a lot more exciting, interesting, engaging, and just fun when guys are running the bases not just taking a walk or hit by pitch…then standing at a base hoping someone will hit a HR to get your runs…and we have jogging around the bases…boring.
Speed, defense, always great too… however, usually “great pitching” would be the next in that phrase, but even that now is less exciting as it used to be..BECAUSE guys arent batting the same way…when all great pitching has to be is “keeping it in the yard” I am not sure how great that is.
I love strikeouts…but that was when guys at the plate could hit for average and make contact enough that getting a lot of Ks was pretty awesome to see. Even guys that DIDNT get Ks was fun because they used the high contact guys own skills against them…fun
nevertheless…back to why i posted this here… I want guys who run, play good defense, and hit the ball….i dont care about HRs…I wish it was just pining for the Running Redbirds of the 80’s or something so trite as that but it isnt… Looking at the game today and the Cardinals team i just see a lack of the right mix of skills being employed to be successful…AND subsequently BE exciting.
We have gotten to the point where no one even cares about HRs anymore..or 15Ks in a game… it is so common (unless it is ridiculous)….that even the biggest flashiest things are boring… why?? because that is all anyone tries or teaches themselves to do…how can you blame someone for not thinking baseball is fun to watch when it is played like HR derby but with pitchers who are not lobbing it in there… HR derby is boring enough when you KNOW they will hit a HR…i mean how many times can you hear them say “back back back back…gone”…snooze…how boring is it when they are all still just approaching the real game the same way….walk…walk..K…K…K… pop up..popup…K…walk..K….HR!!… walk…K…k… … snore snore snore…
Anyways…i like Merrifeld because he doesnt have crazy power, he is versatile, solid defender, has enough speed, enough power, PLAYS EVERY DAY, and hits for average, even that he IS a bit older…but he still does all those things (and he is cheap of course)
I want Merrifields…i want Arraez and Kepler or even Astudillo from MIN, i love Yadi’s game, Edman has something in him i think, Arenado or Goldy from about 5 years ago, Benintendi looks promising, Carlson, Kiriloff, Solak, MAdrigal…might be a good future
The guys tat are exciting and unicorns (like the HR hitters of old) are the guys who hit for average…the guys who are true speed threats…that is HARD…that is fun…that is different and is what is missing from the game…look how excited people got when we had Goldy and Wong get 4 hits in game…my word it was as if Jesus was reborn…
I dont have a full list…but i am sick of trying to turn Baders and Grichuks and ONeills into MAJOR players..or major cogs on a team…their value and limited bat skills are fine when they are limited to one or two a team…but when a lineup of 9 guys has 7 of them all trying to do the same thing…hit a HR or get a walk….that is boring…and i love baseball….and even if a team played like that…i woudlnt mind it…but when ALL teams are playing like that the game is just boring…
it is boring because of HOW it is being played… not the game itself…built into the game is excitement and strategy and true skill….but the way it is being played and the players that seem to be desired or promoted are just boring…
so for me…i want the HIT FOR AVG tool to be right at the top, with defense 2nd, then speed, then whatever else… that is who i look highly at when trying to find ways to fix the team…because it is exactly what we arent doing…what baseball isnt doing… I dont need 5 tools…but to chaneg the team you need to find guys that have the tools the team doesnt have…or produce
blah blah blah… i am babbling again…
trade for Arenado and Merrifeld and Kepler….use pitching prospects to make moves…because the Cardinals have proven time and time again they produce very good MLB pitchers….maybe not as many “aces” or #1s but they produce consistently high level pitching….which should mean we should trust our skills to keep producing those talents and use what we can to get us what we DONT have…high end hitting talent…cheap pitching is great…homegrown is awesome…we have it in spades….but trying to turn Carpenter into Pujols was never going to work…and paying him early was a mistake…striking out on Heyward got us stuck with Fowler…and we wouldnt have needed either if Oscar hadnt passed..
IMO…our OF right now should be Taveras, Grichuk, Piscotty….with Bader/Pham our 4, and Carlson the up and comer trying to break in… Marco Gonzalez is in the rotation….and we have already signed Goldy and Arenado for 1 and 3 while Carpenter is a DH on some team in the AL…
It’s easy to have hindsight…and plenty have talked about OTs passing throwing a wrench into the plans… but it’s little ripple has become crashing tsunami’s by now…
ugh..im still going…sorry
FA signing #1 for next year needs to be Brad Miller. He is such a good fit on this team and very undervalued. 1/5 or so if they get it done early?
A close 2nd has to be a proven OF. Trade or FA, they have to find one for a corner spot to hit 3, 4 or 5.
I posted in the game thread about the 2021 rotation and “good luck guessing that one”… and it got me thinking a bit more about it.
Flaherty, Hudson, Kim, Waino back?, Gomber, Oviedo, CMart, Mikolas, Reyes, Cabrera, Helsley, Gant, Woodford….
I can’t see them NOT moving a couple of guys to teams desperate for pitching (Angels). Mikolas is good, but not a difference maker. I’d like to see him and Cmart moved to free up money for an OF bat. That would still leave a top 7-8 of Flaherty, Gomber, Hudson, Kim, Waino?, Oviedo, Cabrera, Reyes.
Any thoughts? Or predictions?
I doubt we ever see Gant, Reyes, and Cabrera in the rotation. They seem to be a better fit in the pen. Gomber might be a rotation candidate. The Cards might be interested in dangling CMart and Mikolas on the trade market but I don’t know how much interest there would be considering the injuries.
Flaherty, Waino, Mikolas, Hudson, Kim, CMart, and Ovideo are seven solid options. Figuring a trade for an OF bat might be smart. (Benintendi would be nice).
If Carlos can stay healthy the rest of the season and (especially) pitch well in October, I could see him being a trade chip. Not sure what he would fetch and I hate to lose the talent he has, but his salary and time to control could be worth something to a team that needs pitching. Perhaps the Red Sox would trade him for Benintendi for something close to straight up. I’d still like to see something like a trade for a slugging OFer more than the all around type we have (Carlson, Bader, Thomas) and would be getting in Benintendi. O’Neill is the only potential 30 HR guy we have out there and he’s struggled to be productive this year.
The Mariners have two outfield prospects that I would be interested in, Jared Kelenic and Julio Rodruguez. It sure seems like we could put together a package that would interest the Mariners.
I think the Cardinals are going to do everything they can to reduce payroll during this coming offseason in anticipation of lower attendance in 2021. Some fans will not have as much discretionary money to spend because of the hit to the economy caused by the pandemic, others won’t show up for political reasons, and a few more will be turned off because of an expected work stoppage after the 2021 season. Moving CMart could be one way to reduce payroll. Not picking up Wong’s option could be another way. With Andrew Miller looking sharp in his first appearance since back from the IL, it seems likely that he will get the 6 remaining appearances that he needs to vest, so no savings there.
Miller could be traded even if his option vests although I don’t know if there are many teams out there who would want him at $12M.
If Benintendi doesn’t have enough power someone like Joey Gallo might be available. He strikes out a lot though.
The other day I said in jest the Cardinals could bring Ozuna back since he is a free agent but I suppose they actually could although the optics would probably prevent it.
With Fowler’s resurgent year (if he comes back and plays), he might be an option to trade with the one year left on his deal if they are in the money saving mode. Even if they have to eat half the salary, it would be a significant savings. They’d be down to no “proven” OFs, though.
I can’t see Wong’s option being declined. It’s not like he’s making Goldy-Yadi-Carp money and at absolute worst, you take the option and trade him. Someone will take an average bat, Gold Glove second baseman if you’re offering. To let him walk for nothing would be questionable.
Unfortunately on Miller, you can’t really limit him at this point unless you make it blatantly obvious that you are manipulating his time. With all the DHs, I’d think everyone with a pulse in the pen is going to get 6 appearances this month. Sadly, his money will not come off the books. I don’t know that the bullpen is going to need him next year with Hicks and Brebbia back and all the other quality arms available, but that’s how these longish term deals work.
I am not convinced all of this cost cutting will be necessary next year anyway. I am going to be optimistic and say that a vaccine will be ready before next season begins, which means the turnstiles should be open. Will the Cardinals get their 3 million plus in attendance? Maybe not. I am sure there will be some hesitant to return to crowds but they will be in the minority.
I agree that Wong will be back, A. Miller will probably be back unless the Cards eat some money to move him. I doubt they can move Carp or Fowler so the only other logical way to move money would be CMart and nobody really knows what his value is right now.
If the Red Sox don’t want to move Benintendi I bet they would move JD Martinez. He is having a down year this year but he might just need to get out of Boston. Of course it would only make sense if the NL has the DH next year. He has two more years at $19M each and he is currently 32 years old. CMart and O’Neill for JD and a little cash?
Interesting idea for JD…
Though I feel the Carlos for Benintendi seems like the kind of win win for both teams while both carry the potential for a lose lose situation too
Let’s put em all together!
Benintendi and JD
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Carlos + Miller + ONeill/ThomasWe need impact offense and have could offer some arms as well as a still upside replacement OFer
Worse comes to worse for BOSox after next year they end up with a cheap power hitting OFer instead of a more light hitting but better average OFer and 19m extra to play with
Worse for the Cardinals they are stuck with a reasonably expensive DH/OFer and a rotational younger OFer
A lineup of:
Benintendi-CF
Carlson-LF
Goldy-1
JD-DH
DeJong-SS
Carp/Edman/Gorman-3
Fowler-RF
Yadi-C
Wong-2Definitely seems a bit scarier
And we have learned this year we have capable arms that can do well when Miller and Carlos were out
Probably not enough in the deal for JD and Benintendi though so I am sure we’d have to put something else in as they will say JD is better than this years numbers and same for Benintendi
neat idea though
Carlos Martinez is ruining any trade value he may have had. He needs a 180 degree turnaround and there’s very little season left.
Carlos Martinez is ruining any trade value he may have had. He needs a 180 degree turnaround and there’s very little season left.
I actually thought he looked pretty good today. The fastball was back where it should be (94-96), he had some sharp breaking balls, and threw strikes. If Dejong catches that ball up the middle, he gives up 1 run. Even that last run was questionable, as Thomas just flat out blew it. No way that Astudillo should have scored on that hit to RF.
I listened to it on the way home and didn’t get that impression from Rooney / Shannnon. Thanks, that helps.
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We were speaking of Ozuna, and his career year Mo traded for. It got me to thinking of Carps extension off a career year. Do you think Brad Miller gets an extension? For too much?
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