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With very few suitors, it appears that Castellanos and Ozuna are waiting for the other one to settle. 4/56 would be acceptable for him, but they need to move Fowler first don’t they? If they can shed 8.5M for Fowler (Cards pay 8) they would only be adding 5.5M for a significant lineup addition in 20-21.
On BR he is projected for a .285 avg and .846 OPS….. that’s highly needed in the lineup.
Now, this is interesting
Eat all of David Price’s salary, send them two high end prospects, and you can rent Mookie Betts for a year…
I mean, if I were Mozeliak, I’d call Bloom and say we’ll meet your asking price, but we are excluding our Top 3 prospects (Carlson, Gorman, Liberatore) from consideration and you have to take back the contracts of Fowler and Carpenter…
Then call Colorado and say we’ll trade Hudson + O’Neill + mid-tier pitching prospect for Arenado…
That’s an insane price for Betts. I mean, he’s a legit MVP frontrunner every year, but you can’t take on $120M and give up two top prospects for one year of any player.
LA, if I understand your proposal correctly we would subtract $35M from the payroll (Carp and Fowler) but then add $94M in payroll (Price, Betts, Arenado) for a net gain of $59M in payroll this year, which would put our total payroll at $222M. You then add another $15M for 40 man salaries and benefits and our CBT payroll would be $237M, which is way over the line.
There is less than a zero % chance of that happening.
Yeah, good luck to Boston finding someone to take on 57 million in salary this year. Even at the trade deadline that will require taking on nearly 20 million.
Doubtful many care, but a little tidbit on California baseball fans. We started up north and are finally ending up in SD. I’ve never met a stranger so I have talked to many folks about baseball, and the Astros were a big talking point to almost all of them.
A’s – I did not meet a single person who cared or was a fan
Giants – 3-4 guys, “tear it down two years ago” was common, “why didn’t they trade these old guys (Bumgardner and Smith) at the deadline to get young guys”, confident in Zaidi though
Dodgers – 7+, they don’t know a thing, not one of them could name a top prospect…. brought up a few of their prospects, they had no clue, spoiled. That area has so much crazy money, I’m convinced they will be good for the next 20 years
Angels- 3 “Bro’s” – they are the forgotten step brother to the Dodgers, I talked to a few fans in the Huntington Beach area, but they haven’t cared or been to a game, even since Pujols. Small sample size, but the location is hurting them I’m sure
Padres- Here for the past 7 years on this exact week, they have a great location, these folks just don’t like baseball like us. Surfing and “chillin at the beach” is better I guess….. can’t say I disagree though.For what it’s worth, it was 71 and sunny today, 70 and sunny tomorrow then I’m back to Wrigley area for snow and sleet tomorrow night. If we had perfect weather, would we care about baseball so much?
Southern California has always been spotty at best when it comes to sports. There are just so many distractions plus there are a ton of teams to focus on.
Dodgers
Angels
Padres
Lakers
Clippers
Rams
Chargers
Kings
Galaxy
LAFC
USC
UCLASt. Louis has the Cards, Blues, SLU, and now an MLS team.
If I were in SoCal I’m sure I would still be a big fan but hanging out at the beach in January is not a bad gig either.
Heyman doing work for one of his agent buddies…
Carlos Gonzalez, still only 34, is intending to play this year
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 27, 2020
Keep in mind this is the “Trade Idea” thread….
SP Options: JF, Mikolas, Hudson, Waino, CMart, Kim, Helsley, Ponce, Woodford
RP Options: 4 out of the above who don’t make the rotation, Gallegos, Miller, Brebbia, Webb, Cabrera, Cecil, Gomber, JFern, Gant, Seijas, Hicks and Whitley mid yearAssume at least 3 injuries, that’s 21guys for 13 spots minus 3 injuries….. in the addition by subtraction method they used to get Liberatore, what about using the same to get another solid prospect?
Packaging Ponce (who I think should be given a full chance as a starter) and Woodford who are ML ready or almost in Woodford’s case, for a solid prospect perhaps?
Ponce and Woodford to the Padres for Adrian Morejon? Morejon is not 100% MLB SP ready, but should be ready to be an MLB starter in 2021 or a BP piece in 2020. Secondly, the Padres are still in need of rotation and BP options.
Cards would still have JF, Mikolas, Hudson, Waino, CMart/Kim as 2020 rotation options and CMart/Kim, Helsley, Gallegos, Gant, Miller, Gomber, Brebbia, Webb, Cabrera, Cecil, JFern with Whitley, Hicks and Seijas as options mid year. It would also free up a 40 man spot for another BP or OF addition in the next two months. A farm system with Liberatore, Thompson, Morejon, Rondon and Oviedo would be promising for the future to say the least.
I would give CarGo a minor league deal in a heartbeat, terrible year in 2019, but not that far removed from being an above avg MLB bat. It can’t get much worse than Dexter as the RF can it?
I like the target but consider the offer somewhat light. If Diego wants rotation arms now, Gant / Ponce has more value than Ponce / Woodford. If they like Ponce / Woodford instead, they should also ask for Fernandez.
Where does Yasiel Puig land? He has a career slash line of .277/.348/.475/.823 and a 2019 slash line of .267/.327/.458/.785. His power numbers dropped off in his stint with Cleveland, but AVG and OBP went up. He is entering his age 29 season.
You would have to think that he would come at a much lower price than either Ozuna or Castellanos. Maybe as much in the range of $8M-$10M. Or, would he be willing to sign an incentive based one year deal (e.g. $5M base with incentives which allow him to earn as much as $10M-$12M)?
Is this the type of bargain or creative deal that Dewitt and the Front Office are looking for?
JJ, Ponce and Gant I would do all day long for Morejon. Maybe even Ponce, Gant and Woodford if they throw in another lottery ticket?
Regarding Puig, is he still known as a bad clubhouse guy? Maybe that’s simply an old memory from years ago on my part.
On the field he would make the Cards better (can’t be worse than Fowler), but if he would be a clubhouse distraction then it’s a hard pass. The incentive idea makes a lot of sense, but if they were to take on the risk, perhaps do $5M with incentives and an option year with a hefty buyout incase it all clicks for both sides?You could probably get Puig for somewhere between $5M-$10M but if the Cards were going to spend that I would rather see them get another closer but that is just me. Would Puig be that much better than O’Neill or Thomas? I would say doubtful.
I like the whole concept of packaging excess “above average” prospects in exchange for one “elite” prospect”. The Liberatore type trade is exactly the kind of trade the Cardinals should seek out because we rarely get the opportunity to draft players like that.
Puig is not a guy I would want in my clubhouse. Looking for something else yesterday, I ran across an article from early last season. The Reds were in LA, so the Dodgers arranged for a pre-game ceremony to recognize Puig for his role in their 2018 NL Championship. Puig came to the ballpark late that day to skip his own event.
Hard pass.
I’d pass on Puig, regardless of salary, and let our young outfielders start the first half. Fowlers contract will start and all Puig does is block O’Neill, Thomas, etc.
Let it play out with a deadline OF acquisition in mind, if necessary.
I like the addition by subtraction idea if we can get pitching or position players that are top-end prospects that are a few years away… ala Liberatore.
It looks like San Diego is in the same situation as the Cards. That is, top heavy with Ps on the verge of MLB. A lot more position players than Ps in their pipeline. They don’t seem to need any AAA pitchers.
Mark Feinsand of mlb.com:
Ozuna and Castellanos seemed like natural fits, but neither wound up with the Cardinals. St. Louis has been interested in adding a left-handed bat; could the versatile Brock Holt be a fit? He isn’t the impact hitter the club wants to acquire, but he’s a useful player, especially in the NL.
I have to admit that I’ve never heard of Brock Holt. Looking at his stats, he looks sort of like Tommy Edman. Not sure where he fits unless it’s in a backup OF spot or if Carp tanks and Edman regresses.
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