July 31, 2019 at 8:49 pm #100302July 31, 2019 at 8:54 pm #100307July 31, 2019 at 8:55 pm #100308
Loyal fans frustrated by 3 missed postseasons. Public goal of winning division. Self-imposed motto of 2019 Matters. In 1st on deadline day, but need to help rotation that's lost depth since spring. Players stepped up. Manager, too. And #STLCards FO didn't. Simple as that.
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) July 31, 2019July 31, 2019 at 8:58 pm #100309
Cardinals were at .500 at the All-Star break.
Front office said publicly … prove to us that you’re a legit playoff contender.
Team responded by going 13-5 and getting to 1st place in a tight division.
Front office got them basically zero help.
That’s a colossal failure.
— Charlie Marlow (@CharlieMarlow_) July 31, 2019July 31, 2019 at 9:01 pm #100311July 31, 2019 at 9:47 pm #100331ThegreyghostParticipantFree
6 runs in last 33 innings, and couldn’t hit a lick in May and June and some of the worst corner outfielders in baseball….but there were no deals out there….seriouslyJuly 31, 2019 at 11:09 pm #100365858booyahParticipantFree
Some of us while throwing suggestions out kind of knew this is how it was going to end up. When they were signing junk ball lefties and and all was quiet that pretty told me we weren’t doing much.
The money was spent. This was the team they were rolling out with unless something just fell into bowtie’s lap for next to nothing.August 1, 2019 at 5:19 am #100376forsch31ParticipantFree
Does the new trade rules mean there are no more trades allowed until the season is over? Or, are trades allowed but anyone not with the organization on August 1 is not eligible for the post season?August 1, 2019 at 5:50 am #100378OnyxgemParticipantFree
I believe trades are 100% done for the year now…
And yes the Cards front office is as incompetent as they come….utter joke show they are running over there…August 1, 2019 at 8:24 am #100398
No, that is not correct.
Trades are still allowed for non-40-man roster players. So for example, the Cards could trade Randy Arozarena for a minor league pitcher who hasn’t yet been added to his team’s 40-man – like a Jake Woodford or Junior Fernandez. (Of course, players can be added or removed from the 40-man just like always.)
The post-season eligibility date is August 31, and even that can be worked around by substituting out an injured player.
Minor league trades aren’t that common, but it will be interesting to see how/if they increase now.August 1, 2019 at 8:24 am #100399Euro DandyParticipantFree
forsch31, to post season eligibility date is still Aug 31. Players have to be on the 40 man (or 60 IL) on Aug 31 to be eligible for post season rosters.
But, there are NO MLB trades after yesterday — NONE. So if the Cards add a new player to the roster between now and Aug 31, it will have to be because they claim a player who has been placed on outright waivers by another team. No longer is a guy allowed to be put on waivers for the actual purpose to work a trade with the claiming club or see if he clears waivers for the purpose of then trading him to anybody.
Edit to add: Brian what are the dates / constraints on minor league trades?August 1, 2019 at 8:32 am #100403
So if the Cards add a new player to the roster between now and Aug 31, it will have to be because they claim a player who has been placed on outright waivers by another team.
Just to clarify, that is accurate for 40-man players, but not for non-40-man players. The Cards could acquire a non-40-man player in trade and then add him to the roster.August 1, 2019 at 8:35 am #100404forsch31ParticipantFree
Trades can then start again once the final regular season game has been played? Or once the post-season is over?August 1, 2019 at 8:39 am #100405
Brian what are the dates / constraints on minor league trades?
I am not aware of any – other than this year’s draft picks cannot be traded until after the World Series – and they cannot be players to be named later.
P.S. I found another restriction. Players who were outrighted this year (Shreve, for example) cannot be traded now, either, because they began the season on an MLB contract.
My bottom line is that smart teams will keep trying in August to make deals to find good prospects close to the majors to add via trade.August 1, 2019 at 8:43 am #100406
Trades can then start again once the final regular season game has been played? Or once the post-season is over?
The latter.August 1, 2019 at 9:19 am #100416
Guys like Matt Harvey and Asdrubal Cabrera are available because the have been DFA’d or released.August 1, 2019 at 9:23 am #100417
I thought Farhan Zaidi of the Giants had a great trade deadline. He probably wanted to be an aggressive seller but he was under a lot of pressure to keep the band together so Bochy can have a chance to go out in a blaze of glory. Looka t what he accomplished:
1. Kept Madbum, Smith, and Watson
2. Acquired Scooter Gennett for almost nothing
3. Somehow convinced Atlanta to take ALL of the money owed to Melancon
4. Got Milwaukee’s #3 rated prospect according to mlb pipeline for Drew Pomeranz
5. Got three good prospects from Minnesota for Sam Dyson
Not a bad day’s work.August 1, 2019 at 9:25 am #100419
— Jim Bowden (@JimBowdenGM) August 1, 2019
Of course the Cubs were in the winners category and we were in the losers category.
3. St. Louis Cardinals
Acquired LHP Zac Rosscup from Dodgers in exchange for cash considerations. Traded INF Jedd Gyrko, international cap space and cash considerations to Dodgers in exchange for LHP Tony Cingrani and RHP Jeffry Abreu.
The Cardinals had a specific target of acquiring left-handed relief help, but they just didn’t get the quality that will be a difference-maker.August 1, 2019 at 9:27 am #100421August 1, 2019 at 9:28 am #100422
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) August 1, 2019
Well, what do you know, finally a front office that’s not petrified to trade prospects.
Finally, an owner that isn’t worried about spending money.
Suddenly, an organization that prefers World Series parades over minor-league awards.
Take a bow, Houston Astros.
We’ll see you in the World Series.
General managers, at least most in this sabermetric baseball world, proved loud and clear Wednesday that they’d rather hang onto their prospects and play it safe rather than win a World Series championship.
“It was a joke, an absolute (expletive) joke,’’ said one high-ranking club executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of trade deadline. “They paralyzed the industry. They’re so afraid of giving up a prospect that they don’t understand that what you give up can help you win a World Series.
“It’s like they don’t care about winning.’’
Welcome to the 2019 Major League Baseball trade deadline.
It was easy for clubs to blame the Giants for the dreary trade deadline, saying they paralyzed the market by not only hanging onto ace Madison Bumgarner, but also All-Star closer Will Smith.
It’s a cop-out.
The real reason is that general managers and the front offices have become so timid, terrified of making a mistake, believing their fanbase will buy their excuse that their prospects would be inducted one day into Cooperstown.August 1, 2019 at 9:30 am #100423Euro DandyParticipantFree
It’s an interesting topic that’s caused me to snoop around a bit. Wondering about creative ways to circumvent the new trade deadline, such as handshake deals on how teams might handle outrighted players, with favorable/makeup deals between the two parties later. Here’s a pretty good article I found that talks about that, among other things, to include minor league trades. There’s a newly created commissioner’s rule which allows him to prevent deals intended to skirt around the new trade deadline rule. Definitely worth a read for those who want to know more about the new trade deadline.
Brian, while the minor league trading route is not explicitly prohibited, I can’t visualize much, if any, likelihood in contending teams using it to obtain real help down the stretch. Those team are looking for “right now” players, not someone to break in. Maybe it’s been done before, I don’t know. If trying to fix a glaring hole, anything is possible, necessity being the mother of invention. We’ll see.August 1, 2019 at 9:31 am #100427stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
If having the best team won you a World Series, the Cards would have won in 2004, 2005 and probably 2013 and would have had no shot in 2006 or 2011. I appreciate that the Astros made the moves to give themselves a great shot to win it all, but it’s by no means a slam dunk.August 1, 2019 at 9:34 am #100429August 1, 2019 at 11:44 am #100450
The Houston #Astros have vaulted past the #Dodgers and #Yankees to win the World Series after the trade deadline, per https://t.co/5q6lmj4UXC. The odds: Astros (3/1), Dodgers (7/2), Yankees (9/2), Braves (12/1), Twins (14/1), Cubs (14/1), Cleveland (16/1), Cardinals (20/1)
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) August 1, 2019August 1, 2019 at 11:53 am #100451
Only thing worse than teams who don’t do enough for their fans….fans who accept it, because they are blinded from reality.
— Casey Stern (@CaseyStern) July 31, 2019
"The Yankees, The Dodgers and the Cardinals. All three screwed up heavily in different ways."@CaseyStern joins the Starting Lineup to discuss the @Cardinals, @Dodgers and @Yankees, that all came away from the trade deadline with nothing.https://t.co/jF62c0OUAl
— Sportsnet (@Sportsnet) August 1, 2019
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