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  • #207203
    Nigel T
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    Did we not read Bob’s post. We are talking Anthony Garcia-type numbers. For those unfamiliar to the reference, Garcia was the catching equivalent to Oscar Taveras when he burst on the scene. Garcia eventually played OF briefly with the A’s, but point is Oscar Taveras from the catching position…plus a switch hitter.

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    cardsfan64
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    #8 – Cooper Hjerpe — LHP
    #9 – Zack Thompson — LHP

    #207205
    flood21
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    8. McGreevy

    9. Thompson

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    14NyquisT
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    #8 McGravy
    #9 Hjerpe

    #207216
    slidinlefty
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    McGreevey
    Bernal

    #207229
    CariocaCardinal
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    #8 Thompson
    #9 McGreevy

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    stlcard25
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    Did we not read Bob’s post. We are talking Anthony Garcia-type numbers. For those unfamiliar to the reference, Garcia was the catching equivalent to Oscar Taveras when he burst on the scene. Garcia eventually played OF briefly with the A’s, but point is Oscar Taveras from the catching position…plus a switch hitter.

    It’s an impressive start, but it’s not unprecedented. Ivan Herrera was only a few months older when he put up a 136 wRC+ at Low A in 2019. I like Bernal in the low to mid teens, given the small sample size.

    #207233
    bccran
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    This is a close one. By my count we have so far –

    McGreevey –
    4 #8 votes
    3 #9 votes

    Thompson –
    4 #8 votes
    2 #9 votes

    Hjerpe –
    2 #8 votes
    2 #9 votes

    Bernal –
    2 #9 votes

    Paniagua –
    1 #9 vote

    We need some more votes to break a photo finish.

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    Cardinals27
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    #8 Thompson
    #9 Mcgreevy

    #207236
    Nigel T
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    8 Thompson
    9 Bernal

    #207237
    Bob Reed
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    “It’s an impressive start, but it’s not unprecedented. Ivan Herrera was only a few months older when he put up a 136 wRC+ at Low A in 2019. I like Bernal in the low to mid teens, given the small sample size.”

    That’s a (mostly) fair point, 25. But Leo Bernal was in fact more than eight months younger at the same level. And eight-plus months is a pretty big deal, a much bigger deal when we’re talking teenage prospects than, say, 22 and 23-year-olds.

    And although you’re quite right that his entire season was a modest sample size, that pushes him from the 3rd-best Redbird prospect to the 5th. But no lower. Because the 18-year-old Bernal has two things in his favor that Ivan Herrera did not at the same stage of development. Bernal has (1)real present power, and (2)overwhelmingly positive home/road splits — the latter of which has meaning to me, as Roger Dean Stadium is of course notoriously hitter-unfriendly. That double advantage for Leonardo can be summed up in one stat:

    Away from Roger Dean, Leo’s isolated slugging was .363. So Bernal at #8. Jonathan Mejia at #9.

    And thanks very much for the kind words, Nigel. (I think you’re thinking of Daric Barton, though. He’s the guy who had one terrific season for the Oakland A’s, around 6 WAR if memory serves, and then faded oddly and was completely washed up by his late 20’s.)

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    lrcardinal
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    8 – C Hjerpe
    9 – M McGreevy

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    PadsFS
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    8 Michael McGreevy
    9 Cooper Hjerpe

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    desmetlax12
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    8 Thompson
    9 Mcgreevy

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    grenadier1
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    8. Mcgreevy
    9. Hjerpe

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    slidinlefty
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    “It’s an impressive start, but it’s not unprecedented. Ivan Herrera was only a few months older when he put up a 136 wRC+ at Low A in 2019. I like Bernal in the low to mid teens, given the small sample size.”

    That’s a (mostly) fair point, 25. But Leo Bernal was in fact more than eight months younger at the same level. And eight-plus months is a pretty big deal, a much bigger deal when we’re talking teenage prospects than, say, 22 and 23-year-olds.

    And although you’re quite right that his entire season was a modest sample size, that pushes him from the 3rd-best Redbird prospect to the 5th. But no lower. Because the 18-year-old Bernal has two things in his favor that Ivan Herrera did not at the same stage of development. Bernal has (1)real present power, and (2)overwhelmingly positive home/road splits — the latter of which has meaning to me, as Roger Dean Stadium is of course notoriously hitter-unfriendly. That double advantage for Leonardo can be summed up in one stat:”

    3. Bernal at this stage is already advanced enough defensively to be a defensive catcher in a pinch at the upper levels. Defense wasn’t Herrera’s best tool.
    4. Bernal is a switch hitter (and a good one so far) at a key position.

    If we are concerned with production at the minor league level being in a small sample size, then why are any picks that haven’t even played at the minor league level one inning even getting votes? Not being a smart aleck, just making a statement.

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    Slidinlefty, it is much easier tô Project college pitchers than 18 y.o. Dominicana. Even 18 year olds that have extensíve records in showcases are hard tô project.

    What is the source that Benal is that good defensively?

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    Nigel, Anthony Garcia proves the point. Projection at that age is hard. If there is evidence that he is a defensive stalwart as well it would definately up my ranking which hás already gone from high teens tô low teens based on Bob Reed’s enforcement.

    #207312
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    Bernal then McGreasy for me.

    As I’d mentioned before, I think McGreevy is the typical “Mo trade chip”. Hopefully he can be wrapped up with a Yepez type and we get a new ace for Christmas!

    #207330
    slidinlefty
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    Off the Cardinals website…
    Bernal has a long road of development ahead of him. His defensive work will get him opportunities as he climbs the ladder toward St. Louis, and if his bat fulfills its potential, he has the pieces to be a possible everyday catcher in the Majors.

    #207331
    stlcard25
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    I think the point is that it’s not that off to vote for the Cards last two first round picks, one of which held their own in Springfield in their first full season. The other was the NCAA pitcher of the year this past spring. Bernal is exciting to dream on, but realistically further from serving a need. He could be 4 years away, and that wouldn’t be surprising. Hopefully for all our sakes, he’s good enough in 2023 to move into the top 5.

    #207333
    slidinlefty
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    Then again, our 70th overall pick Ryan Holgate can’t make contact and looks like a total bust. Hitting over .250 in the Florida State league with any power is quite a feat for any hitter.

    #207339
    slidinlefty
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    Do you know how rare it is in the Cardinals system to hit 7 home runs and bat .250 in the Florida State league? Nolan Gorman had more at bats and didn’t do it. Dylan Carlson didn’t do it. Luke Voit did it twice but took twice as many at bats to do it as he hit 9 in 351 at bats and then 11 in 462 at bats. That is actually very impressive power numbers for Florida State league. Is it a fluke? At least he did it at the pro level and not college as we don’t need another Jeff Ledbetter….

    #207341
    bccran
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    Let’s close this round out. Here were the votes, as I counted them –

    McGreevey –
    8th – 6 votes
    9th – 7 votes

    Thompson –
    8th – 7 votes
    9th – 2 votes

    Hjerpe –
    8th – 3 votes
    9th – 4 votes

    Bernal –
    8th – 2 votes
    9th – 3 votes

    Paniagua –
    8th – 0 votes
    9th – 1 vote

    Mejia –
    8th – 0 votes
    9th – 1 vote

    I’m going to have to make a call on this. Thompson got one more vote for 8th place, but McGreevey got 4 more votes for the combined rounds. Therefore, I’m going to call this
    as McGreevey at #8 and Thompson at #9.

    If anyone has a serious issue with this, please let me know before I post the top 9 prospects and move on to the next round. Thanks very much.

    #207342
    Nigel T
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    Bob-I was referring to Garcia, who started out as a catcher. At the time, there was debate about who was the better prospect between Taveras and Garcia.His hitting got him to the major leagues. but he never had the success of Barton.

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