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November 22, 2020 at 10:55 am #147936
stlcard25ParticipantC27, I’ve always heard that control is the ability to throw strikes. Command is the ability to throw the ball right where you want it. Perhaps it is semantics, but it seems like control is important to not give up many walks, while command is important to not give up walks or hard contact. Think of the guys who can paint the corners of the zone like a Greg Maddux.
November 23, 2020 at 7:29 am #147979Today's FREE entry in The Cardinal Nation's #stlcards Top 50 Prospect countdown is no. 30, a high potential, but unfinished right-hander drafted in the eighth round in 2019, Logan Gragg. @mdthompFWFB and I bring these reports to you daily! https://t.co/uwmzqKbqv2 pic.twitter.com/LGnFS9tdXS
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 23, 2020
November 23, 2020 at 8:06 am #147984
stlcard25ParticipantReading some of these reports, the lack of having a spot between the Gulf Coast League and full season ball is going to really hurt some players. I suspect we are going to see guys who are completely dominating the GCL struggle to catch on in the FSL due to it. I think it will eventually level out to the GCL being a better league than it was before and the FSL being weaker. Or perhaps a 2nd GCL team/league will be put out there for the rookies and guys coming over from the Dominican, while the other team/league will be for the guys who may be almost ready to make the jump to Palm Beach. Of course, having them all right in the same place will help “move” them.
November 23, 2020 at 8:16 am #147990The first year could be especially bumpy as the new hierarchy sorts out for both teams and fitting the excess players on them, with the complicating factor that most of the players sat out basically a year and a half.
November 23, 2020 at 8:36 am #147992bccran
ParticipantWhat happened to Peoria, 25?
November 23, 2020 at 8:54 am #147993
stlcard25ParticipantWhat happened to Peoria, 25?
Peoria and Palm Beach are switching places in 2021, so Palm Beach will be low A and Peoria high A.
November 23, 2020 at 9:10 am #147997Peoria and Palm Beach are switching places in 2021, so Palm Beach will be low A and Peoria high A.
This just makes a ton of sense since players that are going from the GCL to the FSL can just walk over to the next field.
It is also nice for the good folks of Peoria as they will get to watch a slightly higher caliber of baseball.
November 23, 2020 at 9:53 am #148001bccran
ParticipantHad no idea. Thanks very much, 25.
November 23, 2020 at 12:18 pm #148028bccran
ParticipantReally interesting on this thread that Gragg is rated above both Seijas and Ralston.
November 23, 2020 at 12:33 pm #148034It depends on the voter. I did not see it that way, but Matt Thompson did – and because he is very high on Gragg relative to the other two, it pulled up Gragg’s overall site ranking.
November 23, 2020 at 12:51 pm #148046bccran
ParticipantGragg in 2019 at Oklahoma State –
ERA – 5.10
WHIP – 1.61
IP – 42.1
H – 49
K – 36
W- 19Pitched most of the year out of the Cowboy bullpen.
As a pro in the 2019 summer – 3.15 ERA, 1.33 WHIP
Ralston was a starter for UCLA
11-1
ERA – 2.66
WHIP 1.11
IP – 101.1
H – 79
K – 110
W – 33As a pro in the 2019 summer – 1.07 ERA, 0.75 WHIP
I don’t see where Matt is coming from.
November 23, 2020 at 12:54 pm #148047Did you read the respective scouting reports? As has been discussed many times, scouts go to games. They watch film. They assess player skills and predict their future growth. Prior stats like those are not as important.
November 23, 2020 at 1:00 pm #148048bccran
ParticipantPrior stats aren’t that important?
Oh, okay.November 23, 2020 at 1:05 pm #148052This exchange reminds me of Marge Schott, who once famously said in response to questions about why she fired all the Reds’ scouts, “What good are they? All they do is watch games!”
November 23, 2020 at 1:27 pm #148053bccran
ParticipantThe Cardinals have worked hard to integrate players’ statistics/analytics with eyes on scouting reports. I’m
told both are equally important.November 23, 2020 at 1:40 pm #148054I do not know the exact weighting on a number of factors to evaluate players. For this discussion, since the basic numbers seemed to conflict, that is why I directed you to the scouting reports. But it would be a fallacy to think that numbers are not a part of scouting. They are just different ones, such as velocites, spin rates, pop times, home to first time, etc. There are a lot of relevant numbers used in the game that are well beyond traditional outcome-based standbys like batting average and ERA.
November 24, 2020 at 7:10 am #148109The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards Top 50 prospect countdown for 2021 continues with a prep OF who was paid above slot to sign and played very well in his Gulf Coast League debut in 2019. Is no. 29 Patrick Romeri and his plus power bat ready for Class A? ($) https://t.co/Nkw8nMMDtG pic.twitter.com/u9RZnwpavh
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 24, 2020
November 24, 2020 at 7:19 am #148111
stlcard25ParticipantRe: Ralston and Gragg, it doesn’t seem that difficult to understand that stats in small samples in a rookie year, or even a full year, may not be quite as important as the tools that a player shows. I really like the mixing of the scouting (Matt) and data (Brian) this year. It adds a nice new dimension, although I do miss Derek’s wonderful writing as well.
November 24, 2020 at 8:41 am #148120bccran
ParticipantThat’s true, 25, but to me the college numbers are important too. It all goes into the mix. And Brian, I agree with you that the analytics are a lot more sophisticated now. But there are things they don’t measure.
November 24, 2020 at 2:54 pm #148147bccran
ParticipantI really like Romari. He’s got all the attributes of a good solid hitting outfielder. Especially like that he shortens up on the bat with 2 strikes, which most power hitters don’t do when always swinging for the fences.
November 25, 2020 at 8:13 am #148181The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards Top 50 prospect countdown for 2021 continues with St. Louis’ fourth-round draft pick in 2019, who immediately excelled in the State College rotation. After a year off, what is next for no. 28, RHP Andre Pallante? ($) https://t.co/ycIDkbG8Bm pic.twitter.com/c6rRLn52gg
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 25, 2020
November 26, 2020 at 8:40 am #148258The Cardinal Nation’s 2021 #stlcards Top 50 prospect countdown reaches no. 27 with a former ECU two-way player who is the Marcell Ozuna comp pick. Like the majority of his truncated draft class, OF Alec Burleson has yet to make his Cards system debut. ($) https://t.co/Fkr8FocWjD pic.twitter.com/ahhuTYgo42
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 26, 2020
November 26, 2020 at 10:51 am #148264Hi Brian. I think I spotted a rare error where you refer to the two-way second rounder as Tink Hence when I think you mean Masyn Winn. Enjoying the write ups so far!
November 26, 2020 at 11:36 am #148266Good eye, Christopher. Correction made. Thank you…
November 27, 2020 at 8:04 am #148285The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards Top 50 prospect countdown for 2021 reaches its midpoint with a 4th-rounder who was an earlier-round talent and received more money accordingly. At no. 26, Mizzou’s Ian Bedell will make his pro mound debut in the spring. ($) https://t.co/po1awdWkGV pic.twitter.com/kvBjolzQwh
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 27, 2020
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