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There’s probably a different way to say that. Like “I guess wasn’t clear enough that it was a joke”. Just a difference in style. Some accuse. Others take the blame on themselves.
Here’s question, 25. Whom in the system as far as outfield prospects are you genuinely excited about? That could make a real difference in the next several years. If you know my history of posting on this forum and others, you know that I’m often accused of looking at prospects in a way that’s too positive. Maybe it’s why I look at Garcia as someone who had possibilities.
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— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 14, 2021
The Cardinal Nation’s Top 50 #stlcards prospects for 2021 sorted by position uncovers an unprecedented oddity – one player is top-ranked at two different positions! Our All-Prospect Team plus more details behind the new Top 50. (free) https://t.co/Di3bVazYlA pic.twitter.com/CMCl5vD8tj
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 15, 2021
On the CF concern, I think Justin Toerner is going to be a CF and may surprise some people. Should get a good look at him at Memphis this year.
Of course, there are lefty relievers in the system, but none were voted into the top 50, including Sisk. That is why the position is open on the All-Prospect Team.
Though unrelated to the site top 50, Sisk was not included in the community vote for the top 75 prospects, either. Perhaps he will emerge in the seasons ahead.
Toerner – The 24 year old former 28th round pick (Cal State Northride Matador) has mainly played RF, but has also had a little time in LF and CF. The 5’10 175 lbs. outfielder probably profiles as AAAA or a 5th major league outfielder. He was doing well at Palm Beach in 2019 and was promoted to Springfield where he had some problems, hitting .211.
There is an entire article about Toerner here, including an in-depth scouting report, and it is free.
The community at large was higher on Toerner at #32 than either Brian or Matt. I was higher on Toerner than anyone else here, voting him starting at #27. I like the profile as a hard playing, lefty swinging CFer. I just have a hunch that he makes it. Could be wrong.
Yes, Brian, I did read all the write ups in the Countdown because there was just one a day. Great write ups. Thank you.
Toerner is just another yawner outfielder that we have from AAA/AA on down. Nothing to get excited about. None really projected to become a starter at the major league level except perhaps Fletcher. And maybe an outside shot for Torres if he can turn it around. IMHO we’re weak up and down the system in the outfield. Main hope IMHO (although 25 doesn’t care for it) is that several of Montero, Gorman, Nunez, and Walker will end up out there ala Piscotty.Sourcing, positions and ages of the #stlcards Top 50 Prospects are compared to prior years. The focus on youth in the 2020 draft is clear as is a continued rebound by pitching prospects. Yet position players still predominate the new Top 50. ($) https://t.co/9SW1FpFxTj pic.twitter.com/N0RzriVx2h
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 25, 2021
We call out eight #stlcards minor leaguers who just missed The Cardinal Nation’s Top 50 Prospect List, including my deep sleeper pick for 2021. ($) https://t.co/0J1urTVNM9 pic.twitter.com/wv97RD1Cmn
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 27, 2021
Breaking down our 2021 #stlcards Top 50 prospects by highest level of play and projecting when they will reach St. Louis. The system remains position player-heavy, which is not necessarily bad. ($) https://t.co/uGRv2LCvSi pic.twitter.com/hBYFykFF3V
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 28, 2021
The relative gap between ranked prospects is not the same. I break down The Cardinal Nation 2021 #stlcards Top 50 prospect list into logical groupings or tiers based on the players’ individual vote totals. ($) https://t.co/gCqSi2EYmG pic.twitter.com/vFnIcdpqSS
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 31, 2021
I didn’t see a place to discuss these articles on the members forum, so I will just say I don’t buy the Aussie catcher thing. My sleeper is Lars Nootbaar. How can you not root for a guy with that name.
Didn’t Matt Thompson have late information that would move Zack Thompson ahead of Liberatore in the rankings? Yet Zack Thompson didn’t make the 1rst tier.
bling, everyone can have their own sleeper pick. In fact, that might be a fun thread to refer to after the season…
mud, there was not a feasible way to re-vote partway through the process. But that would have been a good point to make in the story.
So I had a little time early this afternoon and decided to see what the rankings would look like if we did a “traditional” rank where the votes for the site counted 1/3 along with Brian’s and Matt’s. I inserted Carlson at #1 as I suspect he would have been close to if not the unanimous #1, removed the guys that Brian and Matt did not rank (Knizner and Woodford, I believe), and ran up a composite. In cases of ties, just like I did with our site rankings, the highest individual vote broke the tie. There were 5 players that were ranked by all three of us (Brian and Matt did 60 and we did 75), and here’s where the rankings fell:
Rank POS Player
1 OF Dylan Carlson
2 3B Nolan Gorman
3 LHP Matthew Liberatore
4 C Ivan Herrera
5 LHP Zack Thompson
6 3B Jordan Walker
7 3B Elehuris Montero
8 SS/P Masyn Winn
9 RHP Johan Oviedo
10 RHP Angel Rondon
11 CF Trejyn Fletcher
12 RHP Tink Hence
13 OF Jhon Torres
14 3B Malcom Nunez
15 RHP Junior Fernandez
16 RHP Kodi Whitley
17 OF Justin Williams
18 SS Edmundo Sosa
19 RHP Tony Locey
20 SS Mateo Gil
21 RHP Seth Elledge
22 1B Luken Baker
23 RHP Griffin Roberts
24 RHP Ian Bedell
25 C Julio Rodriguez
26 OF Alec Burleson
27 RHP Edwin Nunez
28 RHP Andre Pallante
29 OF Patrick Romeri
30 LHP Levi Prater
31 RHP Logan Gragg
32 RHP Alvaro Seijas
33 RHP Jack Ralston
34 C Pedro Pages
35 C Edgardo Rodriguez
36 CF Justin Toerner
37 RHP Tommy Parsons
38 1B Juan Yepez
39 1B John Nogowski
40 RHP Ludwin Jimenez
41 OF LJ Jones IV
42 RHP Alex FaGalde
43 SS Delvin Perez
44 2B Kramer Robertson
45 1B Chandler Redmond
46 3B Evan Mendoza
47 LHP Evan Krucynski
48 2B Brendan Donovan
49 OF Conner Capel
50 RHP Edgar Escobar
51 OF Lars Nootbar
52 1B Brady Whalen
53 CF Darlin Moquete
54 RHP Francisco Justo
55 RHP Michael YaSenka
56 C Jake BurnsIf I have some time in the future, I may do a writeup on how we as the site users viewed guys differently than either Brian (the top down view vote) and Matt (the scouting vote). I know some were very much the same and some were quite different.
Thanks 25 for putting that together. I was going to do something similar but I’m missing Brian’s #46 and #50 plus Matt’s #46 and #47 (could you help me out with those). There were some significant differentials on those two lists i.e. Redmond-Seijas-Mendoza-L.Jimenez.
I’ll wait to see what damage the big trade caused.
Brian had Domingo Robles at 46 and Francisco Justo at 50, while Matt at Darlin Moquete at 46 and Lars Nootbar at 47. Robles did not make the composite because the site rankings did not have him in the top 75.
How would The Cardinal Nation's #stlcards 2021 Top 50 Prospect List change if we ranked only by Future Value without considering the risk in achieving it? My new article answers this question. ($) https://t.co/ZkqnMErLKa pic.twitter.com/zAwJIbfXWT
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) February 4, 2021
Ranking the tools (hit, power, field, arm, run) of The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards Top 50 prospects for 2021, as well as identifying those position players with the most-above average tools. Yeah, that Carlson guy you've heard about is in there! ($) https://t.co/sojRLyT02m pic.twitter.com/czqCcfJRPR
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) February 10, 2021
Wrapping up the 64-article series covering The Cardinal Nation's #stlcards Top 50 prospects for 2021. The pitcher with the most above-average offerings is also the most anonymous top 10 prospect in the system, Angel Rondon. All the top pitches here. ($) https://t.co/YZkGORRP9c pic.twitter.com/Kk7wFeL7df
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) February 20, 2021
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