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November 11, 2020 at 10:05 am #147161
I value Matt’s knowledge, his perspective, and his enthusiasm.
November 12, 2020 at 6:57 am #147197Free for everyone today!
November 12, 2020 at 8:12 am #14720014NyquisT
ParticipantBrian your assessment of Yepes was spot on and your ranking at #47 seems accurate. I was optimistic about Yepes when he started out so well in the organization and saw a guy that can hit and had some pop. I followed him closely, but as you stated his career stalled and his ceiling has dropped significantly.
A big turnaround year in 2021 is about the only thing that will put him back on the organization’s radar. Otherwise…. well, you stated it already.
November 12, 2020 at 8:18 am #147201
stlcard25ParticipantI like Toerner. The hope would be that he can be a CFer who can hit a lot of doubles and triples to go with 10ish HRs.
He has some fairly big splits:
2019 vs RHP: .271/.387/.427
2019 vs LHP: .183/.322/.1832018 vs RHP: .325/.435/.400
2018 vs LHP: .282/.350/.352November 12, 2020 at 1:16 pm #147217I’m getting kind of nervous that you’re going to miss Dennis Ortega. Right now I like him slightly more than guys like Ju-Rod, Pages, and the intriguing gent who came over with Liberators from Tampa.
Ortega really passed the eye test last spring, and three years ago he was slightly better regarded than Rodriguez by some who watched them.November 12, 2020 at 4:09 pm #147220Your fears will be realized, Nigel T. Ortega was not ranked here last winter, either, when the community had a 1/3 vote. We merged three lists of 65 prospects and he did not appear on even one of the lists. Since then, he was not invited to the 2020 summer camps, but the guys you cite, Rodriguez and Pages, were there as were others. There were seven catchers in total in the 60-man pool, but he was excluded. So there was no reason for Ortega to rebound in the rankings from year to year. Hope that clarifies…
November 12, 2020 at 4:23 pm #147223Can I vote for Rondon at #9 now, if Oviedo is 8? I might miss the next call, and Rondon is high on my list. I would have had him at 8, but Rondon was shaky in spring training, although to be fair it was his first NRI. I still think he has a good chance to be a #3 starter.
November 12, 2020 at 5:05 pm #147224Wrong thread C27
November 12, 2020 at 7:56 pm #147228Brian those are valid points about recent assignments. Jose Godoy has little power, but has a nice line drive stroke. It seems like roster spots at all four stops will be very competitive.
November 13, 2020 at 8:44 am #147249The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards Top 50 prospect countdown for 2021 reaches no. 39 with a late-blooming Pac-12 pitcher who dominated in his professional debut as a reliever. What is next for Jack Ralston? ($) https://t.co/YqGoYWESrh pic.twitter.com/WYpK1N4w7d
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 13, 2020
November 13, 2020 at 9:19 am #147253bccran
ParticipantAt UCLA, in the tough PAC-12, he was 11-1 with a 2.66 ERA in 17 starts in 2019. Struck out 110 in 101 innings, and had a WHIP of 1.11.
When he was drafted by the Cards, they assigned him to the bullpen at State College, where in 17 games he had a 1.07 ERA and 0.75 WHIP.
Can someone explain why he wasn’t drafted until the 7th round, and why there isn’t more excitement about this prospect in Cardinal Nation?
November 13, 2020 at 9:29 am #147254
stlcard25ParticipantI feel like the Cards said right out of the gate that Ralston was going to be a reliever. Am I recalling that wrong?
Nevertheless, a two pitch pitcher with neither pitch being plus is why he’s not getting so much love from TCN, it seems. He had those very good stats in his debut, which moved him up in the rankings last year.
November 13, 2020 at 10:23 am #14726825, I did not see a quote from the team that Ralston’s permanent role would be a reliever, but I could have missed it. The answer could be clear as soon as this coming spring.
To bccran’s point, I think Matt Thompson’s scouting report was very specific about why there is some caution about Ralston. To repeat an oft-mentioned point, there is more to prospect assessment than just the basic baseball card stats, which in this case were clearly exceptional.
November 13, 2020 at 11:37 am #147273bccran
ParticipantMaybe it’s because he was pretty bad at UCLA before his draft season. Or his windmill type unorthodox delivery.
November 14, 2020 at 7:21 am #147315In today's no. 38 entry in The Cardinal Nation's #stlcards Top 50 prospect countdown for 2021, @mdthompFWFB and I share our views of LJ Jones IV, a 21-year old outfielder with raw power potential but with limited opportunity to date to mature. ($) https://t.co/aSrQTVHyTT pic.twitter.com/4baTD7xbDx
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) November 14, 2020
November 14, 2020 at 11:36 am #147331bccran
ParticipantI really like Jones. Coming out of Chula Vista, CA, he led Long Beach State in hitting his freshman season. He was out his entire sophomore season when he was hit in the hand by a pitch, but came back strong this season for the Dirtbags. The redshirt sophomore hit safely in 12 out of 14 games (.327) before the season was shut down. He has some power potential as he develops due to his 6′ 0″, 225 lbs. frame. He hit 17 home runs his last 2 years at Eastlake High.
November 14, 2020 at 1:40 pm #147345Jones is a RH batter correct? His profile in the article has him as LH.
November 14, 2020 at 1:42 pm #147347Gutsy to rank a 7th rounder this high, but I like it. If LJ Jones IV pans out, for me, he is the true definition of a sleeper pick. I can’t wait to see how he does when he starts playing for the organization.
November 14, 2020 at 1:45 pm #147349Yes, thank you for the correction.
FWIW, Knizner was a seventh-rounder, but he debuted at no. 45.
November 14, 2020 at 3:32 pm #147361Gutsy to rank a 7th rounder this high, but I like it.
Actually Jones was selected in the fifth round, but it is still a bit of an aggressive ranking.
November 15, 2020 at 7:12 am #147381bccran
ParticipantBleacher report says that the percentage of draftees that make it to the majors is –
1st round – 66%
2nd round – 49%
Rounds 3-5 – 32%
Rounds 6-10 – 20%
Rounds 11-20 – 11%
Rounds 21-40 – 6%A question, then. How many of the players on our Top 50 lists make it to the majors? How many for more than just a cup of coffee who end up being starters in the field, or regulars in the rotation or bullpen?
November 15, 2020 at 10:10 am #147388bccran, those are multiple questions, and good ones without answers readily available. This has been added to my winter projects list.
P.S. Please share the Bleacher Report link. I would like to view the details they used to potentially use as a baseline comparison. Thanks.
November 15, 2020 at 10:16 am #14739014NyquisT
ParticipantNine additions and nine departures from the TCN 6-17-2020 rankings.
IN: the seven 2020 draft picks plus LJimenez and Redmond.
OUT: Carlson-Cabrera-Ravelo-Shrock-Parsons-Nogowski-Pages-Justo-Robertson.
November 15, 2020 at 10:19 am #147391Ny, please clarify what your OUT list refers to. They do reflect the site list. Thanks.
November 15, 2020 at 10:44 am #14739614NyquisT
ParticipantPerhaps I should have used ON and OFF.
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