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November 2, 2021 at 2:39 pm #176101
bccran
ParticipantWho else needs to be added to the 40 man for protection?
November 2, 2021 at 4:47 pm #176102See the Rule 5 Draft thread.
November 2, 2021 at 4:49 pm #176103
cardsfan64ParticipantJust posted my list on the Rule 5 draft thread.
November 5, 2021 at 9:56 am #176232So, after reading the Scoops with Danny Mac article on the SS question I’m sold on his opinion:
“Conclusions? For whatever it’s worth, the Steamer Projections for 2022 have DeJong at three percent above average offensively, and Sosa at five percent below average. The Cardinals could stay the course with both guys, help their pitchers by maintaining top-level defense at short, and adjust during the season when Gorman arrives.”
November 5, 2021 at 3:55 pm #176241Well Austin Dean is gone.
Giants Claim Austin Dean, Joe Palumbo Off Waivers https://t.co/TS24yIgXyQ pic.twitter.com/W1bPNnFPHJ
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) November 5, 2021
November 5, 2021 at 4:11 pm #176243
stlcard25ParticipantAt&T is another brutal park for righties so I’d imagine he may struggle. But I hope he does well. I think our OF will be fine.
November 5, 2021 at 5:18 pm #1762481982 willie
ParticipantHopefully dean will do well but I never was a big fan.
November 5, 2021 at 6:32 pm #176250Austin who?
November 5, 2021 at 6:53 pm #176251Moroff and Williams DFA’d and outright to AAA. Both are eligible for minor league free agency. Bye bye Williams
November 6, 2021 at 5:05 am #176255I just realized this from looking at Baseball Reference. Are you posters aware that we only had one (1) pitcher last year that pitched over 108 innings?
r/Esteemed Rat
November 6, 2021 at 6:36 am #176256If Steamer thinks PDJ will be 3% above average offensively in 2022, I wonder what they thought Carp would do in 2021. Can someone who subscribes find that out?
November 6, 2021 at 9:16 am #176261Between Nootbar, Plummer, Yepez, Gorman and Donovan I think the Cardinals can cover losing Williams, Dean and Moroff.
November 6, 2021 at 9:21 am #176262Agreed Forsch. The Cardinals do need to address pitching though.
November 6, 2021 at 10:08 am #176265bccran
ParticipantIf you brought in a pitcher or two, whom would they replace?
Flaherty
Hudson
Mikolas
Waino
Reyes/Woodford/LibbyGallegos
Hicks
Garcia (probably)
McFarland (probably)
Reyes (if not starting)
Woodford (if not starting)
Cabrera
Helsley
Whitley
Oviedo
Fernandez
JonesNovember 6, 2021 at 10:15 am #176267STL25, you mentioned AT&T Park, and this is off topic, but if you’re ever in that area, going to a game there is a must. I would not recommend going to SF if you can avoid it, but the park is unbelievable if you end up there. Everything from the stadium itself, the views, the food, etc would probably put it at the top of my list of stadiums I’ve been to.
November 6, 2021 at 10:34 am #176268BC – any pitchers brought in will replace anyone that they are better than or those who will inevitably get injured.
Some on your list may get traded…. You know how it works…..
November 6, 2021 at 10:43 am #176269
stlcard25ParticipantSteamer had Carp at .220/.345/.402 before last year. While I can’t find the wRC+ on that, I’d imagine it was right around 100. Zips had him at .219/.338/.394, which was a 96 OPS+.
November 6, 2021 at 11:21 am #176270bccran
ParticipantZTR – I don’t envy any MLB GM. If I have a young stud pitcher who’s clearly ready, do I go with him, or bring in a proven
major leaguer to fill that slot?November 6, 2021 at 12:00 pm #176271In the Cardinals’ case, there is no young, stud pitcher who is clearly ready. They have one who MIGHT be ready and another couple of pitchers who are ready to be in the majors but don’t appear to be studs. The stud, young pitcher could pitch out of the bullpen and be the number 6 starter. He could follow Waino’s path. In 2023, the young stud could take Waino’s place in the rotation at only 23 years old.
November 6, 2021 at 1:27 pm #176273bccran
ParticipantLet’s say the Cards feel Liberatore is almost ready. They want to put him at Memphis for a month or two and then call him
up. Do you you really go out and sign a veteran for $20 million a year for 5 year to fill that spot in the rotation?November 6, 2021 at 2:07 pm #176274“If you brought in a pitcher or two, whom would they replace?”
Flaherty, ?, Hudson, Wainwright, Mikolas
Gallegos, ?, ? (L), Hicks, Helsley, Cabrera(L), Whitley, Reyes
Reyes – let him come to spring stretched out as a starter and compete for a rotation spot. But if he doesn’t, and I suspect his strike throwing ability will keep it from happening, a long man role and spot starter.
Garcia and McFarland are free agents
Woodford – has options. Probably best kept stretched out in AAA ready to fill a rotation spot. Possibly tradeable.
Liberatore- not on 40 man, doesn’t need to be, needs more seasoning, could be an option if their is injury, clear Wainwright replacement for 2023.
Oviedo – depth or tradeable
Fernandez- control issue, still has options, be on the flight back and forth from STL to Memphis a few times I’m sure.
Jones- Conner? 6.39ERA and 5 BB/9. in AAA?November 6, 2021 at 2:46 pm #176275Skip is back as the bench coach too.
November 6, 2021 at 3:48 pm #176276November 6, 2021 at 3:56 pm #176277Was Skip brought in to be the heir apparent if Marmol fails to deliver?
November 6, 2021 at 10:11 pm #176281bc, yes, you sign a top quality starting pitcher. Liberatore can pitch out of the bullpen just like Waino did. If one of the starting pitchers get injured, Liberatore can take their spot in the rotation. In 2023, Liberatore can take Waino’s spot in the rotation.
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