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September 18, 2020 at 10:03 am #140642
In a perfect world, I would snap my fingers and replace 3B, LF and RF with better contact hitters that play good defense, too. However, that is not going to happen. We will have to finish out the year with what we have.
September 18, 2020 at 10:04 am #140643For school….and as long as Mo is here next year as well. It’s almost criminal.
September 18, 2020 at 10:05 am #140644
stlcard25ParticipantMaybe the Albert philosophy of just trying to put the ball in play is helping the team hit some singles, but it’s certainly not helping the power. Guys like Goldy, Dejong, Wong and Carp are hitting for less power than ever (Carp probably is toast but the others still have some or a lot of gas left in the tank). The hoped for pop from O’Neill or Thomas has never come. Carlson isn’t likely to be a thumper even if he does hit well. Montero, Gorman, Baker, etc must be the hope to add a 30 HR bat to the lineup in the coming years or it’s to the Brad Miller bin for Mo.
September 18, 2020 at 10:07 am #140645bccran
ParticipantRight now the Cards are ranked
last in MLB in doubles and tied for last in home runs. They’re 3-4 less games played than most teams, but still.September 18, 2020 at 11:19 am #140655Bccran, for all these stats you keep bringing up, what do you want the Cardinals to do about it TODAY? Not last year. Not this off season. Not even next week. What do you want the Cardinals to do about it today?
September 18, 2020 at 11:27 am #140656bccran
ParticipantWell, Forsch, for one I’d like to see Sosa given a shot. Last year at Memphis, he was
.291/.335/.466/.801. He had 18 doubles, 5 triples, and 17 home runs in 118 games. I saw him in 3 games at Spring Training this past March and he was impressive. He can play 3B, 2B, and SS. Is he injured or still not well?September 18, 2020 at 11:40 am #140659This offense would be totally different if Carpenter was hitting like he did in 2018 when he was taking salsa. Totally different. I think we can hold Mo accountable for not knowing what was going on before he extended Carpenter for those big bucks.
September 18, 2020 at 12:04 pm #140662bccran
ParticipantMo gave him the big bucks because he hammered 42 doubles and 36 home runs during the 2018 season.
September 19, 2020 at 9:08 am #140841bccran
ParticipantSo, Forsch, any thoughts on Sosa? Anyone else know why he hasn’t been given a shot?
September 19, 2020 at 10:16 am #140848
jj-cf-stlParticipantSTL now 12-8 W/L in double headers.
13 runs in 13 innings yesterday, scoring in 6 different innings.
The three outfield positions account for 5 of the 12 RBI.
The club slashed .269 / .322 / .462 / .784
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Wieters Sept:
7 GS, 23 PA, 6 for 19, 5 singles, 1 double, 1/4 BB/K
.316 / .409 / .368 / .778September 19, 2020 at 10:28 am #140851bccran
ParticipantYes, Carlson, did indeed have 3 of those 5 RBIs on one swing of the bat. Sure hope he can keep that up. The outfield needs it badly.
September 19, 2020 at 10:31 am #140852Twitter wants Wieters released and Yadi rested so Knizner can play.
On Sosa, since no one outside the organization has any insight on how anyone played in Springfield this summer, there is no clear answer. One could either guess he is hurt or did not perform well. Schrock clearly passed him by as the designated utility infielder call up, despite the fact Sosa is more versatile defensively.
September 19, 2020 at 11:01 am #140854
jj-cf-stlParticipantIt was nice to see Carlson finally have an impact game, he needed it. Now we’ll see how Shildt addresses BW’s Carpenter scenario. Does Edman at 3B force Carp to the bench regularly with Carlson getting regular starts?
Carpenter is now 0 for his last 20, 0 BB’s, 7 K’s
September 19, 2020 at 11:11 am #140857bcran,
Martinez and Woodford/Oviedo might fetch a decent bat but I am skeptical about CMart’s value. Why would KC want to pay him $11.5M next year to pitch the way he is pitching? They wouldn’t. Oviedo would have value on the trade market but that wouldn’t help us move salary.
September 19, 2020 at 12:39 pm #140871bccran
ParticipantThen the natural guy to trade I guess (along with several pitching prospects) is Kolten Wing.
September 19, 2020 at 7:09 pm #140905
stlcard25ParticipantThere’s no way I would trade value for someone like Soler. He had one good season, and even that season was marginal (2.7 WAR). He’s not good enough to block out O’Neill and Carlson from regular playing time for.
September 19, 2020 at 7:48 pm #140917bccran
ParticipantSoler’s not better than O’Neill?
September 19, 2020 at 7:56 pm #140919My trade proposal is Gomber, Bader, Edman and Oviedo for Arenado. But you only do that if you get Arenado to agree to stay.
September 19, 2020 at 8:43 pm #140940
stlcard25ParticipantSoler’s not better than O’Neill?
O’Neill 2.1 career WAR in 395 career at bats. Soler 4.2 career WAR in 1727 at bats. You tell me.
September 19, 2020 at 8:53 pm #140945O’Neill with half the WAR of Soler in 1/4 of the at bats. Extrapolating that you would have O’Neill at 8.4 WAR in roughly 1600 at bats.
That’s why you need to keep playing him. Gotta see what you have with that guy, as the speed and power combo is too enticing to give up on at this point.
September 19, 2020 at 8:58 pm #140950bccran
ParticipantI’m sorry, 25. Soler had 48 home runs last year and drove in 117. That’s elite. I’ll go with that.
September 19, 2020 at 9:03 pm #140953
stlcard25ParticipantI’m sorry, 25. Soler had 48 home runs last year and drove in 117. That’s elite. I’ll go with that.
He was also elite at leading the league in strikeouts. His 48 HRs were over half his career total. You don’t find that a little fishy?
September 19, 2020 at 9:08 pm #140956If you were guaranteed of getting the 2019 Soler, sure. But you have to assess whether or not that is going to be his typical season going forward, or if it was his peak. No perfect answer, but you have to take in as much information as you can.
O’Neill is probably better in 2021, 2022 than today. Will Soler be better than Ty? Could be, but how much better compared to what you give up. I am not sold that he is the answer.
September 19, 2020 at 9:17 pm #140963bccran
ParticipantI look at 2019. O’Neill had an OPS of .723. Soler had an OPS of .923. You tell me.
September 19, 2020 at 9:25 pm #140965
stlcard25Participantlook at 2019. O’Neill had an OPS of .723. Soler had an OPS of .923. You tell me.
No, you conveniently select whatever stats suit your argument best. Soler’s .923 OPS got him 3.6 WAR for his efforts. Solid (which also paints his rest of career stats as pretty mediocre). Your favorite punching bag, O’Neill…his 2020 stats prorated to the 679 plate appearances Soler got last year comes out to 3.4 WAR. Also 34 HRs and 83 RBIs (all stats should go up after tonight, as Tyler was the hero with the double). They’re a lot more equal than you think, and one is making league minimum.
I’ll tell you what…I’ll agree that we should trade fair value for Soler. I’d offer the Royals Jake Woodford straight up for him and nothing more. That’s a fair trade, IMO. Soler can DH.
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