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JJ, dont let what someone says get to you. True some people get rediculous on their hate for some players no matter what the stats show. Just keep on saying what you think and dont worry about them.
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Time to stop the posts directed at the perceived flaws of others. Let’s get back to baseball.
Sports writers are saying the same thing about this offense. Reference BenFred’s article in the PD yesterday. And Hummel says the Cards are going to have to make an OF move this winter. It’s not “being negative”. It’s just saying the same things the sports writers and many other fans are saying. An objective analysis. I really wish it weren’t so, and hopefully it will change going forward. Either through maturation and improvement with the youngsters or personnel changes.
It’s impossible to say what this team would be like were it not for COVID. There was a lot of talk and a rumor that the Cardinals were on the verge of acquiring Arenado. Fowler would be playing, and hopefully, having the kind of year he had to retreat from because of COVID. Carlson would have spent at least a half season at Memphis getting ready for the bigs. O’Neill would have had the benefit of a full ST to find his groove. Maybe MO would have been able to trade for that outfielder that everybody wants. A lot of trades do happen between March and July and we have a plenty of pitching. Blame the pitiful offensive production on COVID? Sure. COVID is real. Don’t blame it on the front office this time, IMO.
Well I blame it on the payroll mistakes of the past. Let’s say a person buys a $30k car and finances it for five years but after six months they figure out they made a mistake and don’t like the car any longer. What do they do? Well, they could try to trade it in on a new one but they would have to take a financial bath because of the inevitable depreciation in value of the vehicle they are trying to get rid of. Most likely they will just have to ride it out until they get the car paid for which would make it easier to get rid of.
Same thing with the Cardinals. We are paying the price for the buyer’s remorse we have with Leake, Cecil, Carp, Fowler, and perhaps Mikolas, CMart, and others….. Instead of taking a financial bath by plowing forward to buy better players the Cardinals are realizing that they are going to have to take their medicine and let these bad contracts expire before going out and buying the car they really want.
Payroll issues can usually be solved by your farm system producing. The Cards have not produced a star position player since at least Matt Carpenter, if not Yadier Molina. They’ve had some solid players like Dejong and Wong, but no one else that’s been a great performer. They grow 2 WAR players on trees…but need that 5-6 WAR guy to come from somewhere.
The modus of the Cardinals for a long time has been to emphasize pitching in the draft and then trade pitching for position players as needed. The Heyward, Ozuna, Grichuk, O’Neill and Goldschmidt trades exhibited that. The situations that hurt the most were when Taveras had the tragedy, Piscotty didn’t play up to expectations, Ozuna turned up with a bad wing, and O’Neill was slow to develop at the MLB level. If thosehad panned out, we’d be in the clover.
That may have worked at one point, but it requires a near perfect record with trades. In today’s day and age, without steroids, trading for a player who’s 28+ is a huge risk. The model just doesn’t work without the input of some star talent. I think that’s why we’ve seen a bit of a shift in the way the Cards have drafted, with Delvin Perez, Trejyn Fletcher, Masyn Winn, etc being picked up in the draft. If one of those three becomes a star, that eases the burden on Mo and company to make perfect trades.
When do you project Perez, Fletcher, and Winn arriving at the major league level?
4 years from now?No, the answer over the next several years still lies in either our young guys on the present roster performing better, or a trade for an arbitration guy who’s performed really well for a low budget team.
Well you have to have something worth trading that another team wants to trade a good player for. The cardinals have some pitching they could try to trade but they are going to want a really good pitcher, do you do that. Now bader because of his defense might get someone interested if they had offense at other positions to compensate but they would still want a pretty good pitcher. Personally i think the cardinals should eat the money they just willfully spent on carpenter, fowler and such and go out and get a big free agent bat or one to be but that isnt going to happen. Im personally ok with them keeping and playing what they got but i believe in the whitey model of having a couple down years to lead to some great years. This trying to be competitive every year doesnt really work well unless you are willing to spend a little more.
No thanks. Soler will be 29 in February and only has 1 year of control left after this year. Soler has an OPS of .787. Bader has an OPS of .779. Soler has only 1 good season. It was his only season with more than 101 games played.
Soler’s K% for the last 4 years is 28.1%. O’Neill’s K% this year is 26.3%
When do you project Perez, Fletcher, and Winn arriving at the major league level?
4 years from now?No, the answer over the next several years still lies in either our young guys on the present roster performing better, or a trade for an arbitration guy who’s performed really well for a low budget team.
To be clear, I’m saying that the Cardinals model failed years ago and they are incapable of catching up right now. Chasing the unicorn you speak of has resulted in trades that were failures (Ozuna) or incompletes (Goldschmidt, whose contract likely to be an albatross within a couple of years). If they can’t develop a position player star by 2022 or so (Gorman, Carlson?) then they’ll have to dive back into the trade market and try again where they’ve failed in the past. Personally, if that’s the case, I think an overhaul of the front office and development team will be needed.
In my opinion, both Carlson and Gorman are the real deal. It would be nice someday to have Goldy, Gorman, and Carlson in the middle of the lineup. Would still like to have another outfield bat, though.
Be it O’Neill or someone else.Well i cant say about gomber cause i havent seen him at major league level but carlsson is just maybe slightly better than what we have now if he actually solves the offspeed stuff in my opinion.
With that HR tonight, Bader’s OPS is .827. If this is real, center field in St. Louis will be locked up for the foreseeable future.
Very well could be, Mudville. Let’s hope that happens. The key is if he can hit right handed pitching.
This season –
Vs. RHP – .164/.299/.327/.626
Vs. LHP – .462/.533/1.154/1.687I am usually not a fan of the “3 young guys for 1 older player” deal from the side of giving up 3, although sometimes they work out.
I’ll pass on the Soler proposal. Seems too much like Ozuna all over again. For this season let’s play the hand we are dealt and see where things stand going in to 2021.
The split for RHP/LHP is outrageous, way too high for LHP and way too low for RHP. It’s an interesting stat, but I’m not sure it means much at this point because it’s so out of whack. Let’s hope so.
You are correct mudville, about the 82 PA’s this season being outrageous splits, it’s just a small sample size outlier.
Since you mentioned long term for CF, I’d suggest career stats. Bader does have over a 1,000 PA’s, so using 82 PA’s as above, to determine if anything is key, is not an advisable approach, ever.
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