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Bogaerts would be cheaper but he would be a two month rental since he can opt out after this season.
Why no talk about dangling Bader or O’Neill in a Soto trade? We’re going to lose their control over the next year or two. Right field would need to be opened up anyway for Soto, and we would still have Dickerson, Nootbaar, Burleson, and Gomez as extra outfielders going forward.
Why no talk about dangling Bader or O’Neill in a Soto trade?
Because Washington probably wants players with more long term control.
Because Bader’s season is likely over. Carlson will be in CF, O’Neill in LF, and RF will be by committee or Soto.
After watching Soto the last couple of nights at Dodger Stadium I am far from impressed. Last night he went 0-4. Two groundouts to the pitcher, a pop fly/liner to the 2nd baseman, a foulout to the catcher, and then was hit by a pitch.
The Dodger announcers were once again talking him up. Talked about how his numbers at his age basically are the same as Ted William’s numbers at age 23.
But, again, from what I’ve seen I am not sure I am interested in making this trade anymore. Unless the Nationals are willing to take less than what is being talked about.
r/Esteemed Rat
Two games??? He is 23 have you seen his numbers? We need pitching but it would be hard to pass on Soto.
His career numbers. .291 ba for you that only looks at ba. I know you don’t like “new metrics” but they are not replacing batting average, they are enhancing it. A xtra base hitter at .245 will be more valuable that .350 singles hitter. He did hit .313 last year. But I know two games make him a bad investment.
MLB (dot) com's @Feinsand polled 17 front-office executives about the Juan Soto situation with the @Nats. Here are their replies to this question, "Which 3 teams do you view as the favorites to trade for Soto?"
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Yankees 3— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) July 27, 2022
A potential deal seems to be heating up, and it is scaring me a bit. I don’t want to send three or more top prospects for what could be 2 1/2 years of Soto.
But I think the Cardinals want Corbin as part of the deal, which lowers the cost in players going the other way. My guess is they see Corbin as a guy who could benefit from the change of scenery, and it does not hurt that he is a lefty.
Likely to see Gorman in the capitol for sure, but am not sure who else. Just don’t send Walker out. He is looking like Soto 2.0, and he’s here more than 2 1/2 years.
Nats GM said he will not include Corbin to dilute the Soto return. So it’s going to be a lot of top prospects.
Personally I would rather have a 350 batting singles hitter especially if he got wheels. We already got plenty of guys who swing for the fences.
Soto was 0-3 today at Dodger Stadium with two strikeouts. And Corbin got lit up, didn’t even make it out of the 1st inning.
I am wondering if the Media has painted Soto out to be the next coming of Ted Williams so much that many in the industry are starting to buy it.
r/Esteemed Rat
I’d offer Gorman, Libertore, O’Neil, Paniagua & Hence. If they don’t take it I would move on….Corbin is washed no reason for the Cardinals to take him….Donovan could take over at 2nd, Soto would replace O’Neil. (No way I would trade Walker or Wynn)
The problem is you still need starting pitching
I still don’t think Soto gets moved this week. I could see him going in the offseason, but I think most of what is occurring will ultimately be precursors to a deal over the winter.
I think Soto will get traded before the deadline but not to St. Louis. I am counting on Mo to be smart enough not to do it.
I think Soto and Patrick Corbin get traded together this week. As previously suggested by various pundits, the Nats ownership wants this to happen as a prerequisite to selling the team this winter.
IMO, Rizzo saying Patrick Corbin will not dilute the trade for Soto simply means that they still want ALL of the prospects that they are asking for plus their trade partner will have to take Corbin. It’s nice to know that the trade deadline is close.
There’s an argument that the odds of Soto being traded are 50/50. That’s because there are only two possible outcomes, either ‘Yes’ or ‘No’. BTW, using that logic, you could say that anybody’s chance of winning the lottery is also 50/50. Go figure.
We already have 275 hitter with 900 plus ops. Hence we are still trailing brewers and can’t generally beat good teams. With soto we won’t win any more often but will lose a lot more in getting him.
To play off mud’s comments, the matter of Corbin is really money, not prospects. If the Nats pay all or the vast majority of his remaining salary, it takes nothing away from the return they get for Soto. In this case, the Cards give Corbin a try and if he stinks, they release him with the Nats money covering his salary. Lower risk for St. Louis.
Now if the Nats refuse to cover much of the money due Corbin, then yes, they would have to take less for Soto to compensate.
I ran Carlson, Gorman & Liberatore through the trade simulator, and it came up with a value of 156.8 vs Soto at 176.8. It suggested that was a slight overpay by Washington.
Added McGreevy, and the value going to Washington went up to 168.0, which it accepted as a fair trade. That would be the Cardinals giving up four former first rounders, three of whom were/are Top 100’s.
But it would preserve a pipeline of Walker, Winn, Burleson & Graceffo.
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