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Is there a single Cardinals fan who would make this trade? It comes from Katie Woo of The Athletic.
Burleson, Carlson, Walker and Winn. One above average MLB starter with multiple years of control, the top two prospects in the system (who are already successful at Double-A) and another in the team’s top 10 who is MLB-ready. All three are in the national top 100.
NO WAY should we make this trade. No way!
It seems the Nats are dead set on obtaining Walker. I can live with that but not both Carlson and Burleson.
Put aside the fitting-not fitting discussion as the topic is not appropriate for this forum. Thank you.
Put aside the fitting-not fitting discussion as the topic is not appropriate for this forum. Thank you.
I get it now. Just delete me.
Some reports are saying Red Sox may be in sell mode… i think Bogaerts could be had cheaper than Soto and hes batting almost 100 points higher and may fix our shortstop problem unless we are just planning on Edman being the shortstop from here on out. Could maybe center it around gorman and winn… moves edman back to 2nd and wouldnt need winn anytime soon.
As I mentioned in the Trades thread, I would make a call on Ohtani. He can slug and pitch but is controlled only through 2023.
To Mo/DeWitt “Dodgers X-factor: Andrew Friedman helped usher in the Cult of Efficiency, but a difference between him and some of his peers is that he seems to still prioritize World Series titles above all.”
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Top prospects: The Cardinals have two of the most promising position prospects in the minors, in third baseman Jordan Walker and shortstop Masyn Winn. Walker has elite raw power and he’s crushing the ball in Double-A as a 20-year-old. If and when he begins to lift the ball more frequently, he’s going to solidify himself as one of the top middle-of-the-order prospects in the game. Winn, also 20, is holding his own in Double-A. He could be an above-average hitter and fielder at maturation. The Cardinals could also submit lefty Matthew Liberatore, outfielder Alec Burleson, and catcher Ivan Herrera to the Nationals. Each is either big-league ready or has already made their big-league debut. (Though Herrera, like the other catching prospects mentioned throughout the article, would likely have less appeal to the Nationals.)
Relevant MLB youngsters: The Cardinals have several young players on their MLB roster who could appeal to the Nationals as well. Second baseman Nolan Gorman has near-elite raw power and has made a successful transition from the hot corner to the keystone. Outfielders Harrison Bader (a defensive demon in center), Tyler O’Neill (a two-time Gold Glove Award winner who received Most Valuable Player Award consideration last fall), and Dylan Carlson would all make some sense. To think, that’s without even pondering if the Cardinals would move either member of their current double-play combination, Tommy Edman and Brendan Donovan.
Payroll situation: The Cardinals have more than $50 million in breathing room between themselves and the tax line. Their Opening Day payroll was also $9 million lower than it was last season, suggesting it’s reasonable to project them to add salary. It’s reasonable to wonder how much they could upscale, but bear in mind that Adam Wainwright and Yadier Molina are both expected to retire this winter, freeing nearly $30 million that’s been earmarked for them in the process.
X-factor: There’s no perfect parallel for the Soto situation, but the Cardinals have waded into the deep waters in the past to land Paul Goldschmidt and Nolan Arenado. (Goldschmidt’s contract, by the way, expires the same winter that Soto becomes a free agent, meaning the Cardinals will have additional flexibility at the perfect time.) The Cardinals can offer the Nationals a compelling combination of top-end prospects and established MLB players, and they should have the means of absorbing a bad contract if that’s what it takes to get a deal done.
The Dodgers have spent a LOT of money and the only title they have to show for it in the last 33 years came in the asterisk-laden, 60-game 2020.
I would prefer lesser prospects to the A’s for Murphy, Montas and maybe Trevino. Plus another smaller deal for Thor.
Good read.
The Cardinals have built impressive organizational strength in a short period of time. If they are smart, they can leverage that strength into 100-victory seasons. https://t.co/Vew43cwCds
— STLToday Sports News (@STL_SportsNews) July 27, 2022
Well Brian, I understand the sentiment about the finances and winning a world series for the dodgers. But as far as saying theres an asterisk for winning it then doesn’t jive. They played the full playoffs, the playoffs didn’t get shortened. If you are going to put an asterisk for that, then all the wild card teams that won a world series should have an asterisk, Cardinals being one of those.
Brian, the point of the post was Friedman vs. Mo, 2014 vs.2007, not the last time the Dodgers won. One WS victory each and Mo’s stated idea that make the playoffs and catch lightning in a bottle verses have a chance to win and go for it. Whether or not that is a fair idea of Friedman’s priorities is another discussion.
Brian, the point of the post was Friedman vs. Mo, 2014 vs.2007, not the last time the Dodgers won. One WS victory each and Mo’s stated idea that make the playoffs and catch lightning in a bottle verses have a chance to win and go for it. Whether or not that is a fair idea of Friedman’s priorities is another discussion.
I like the murphy/montas from the As idea that MLB.com suggested. Thatd sure help a lot but i wouldnt stop at just that. If it were me id do that deal and id also try to bring Bogaerts in as well. I think personally id rather have him and his contract over Soto for 2.3 yrs
Murphy and Montas won’t come very cheap. The trade simulator shows that as 86.2M surplus value. For a couple of possible options…Gorman plus Edman, or Carlson and Hence.
Yea i havent played with the simulator much.. im not understanding why carlson is 77.5 but arenado is .1 ill have to look at it some more
I just think that trade eould possibly kill 2 birds with 1 stone if we could get away from trading away any good starters.
The Nats’ Rizzo talks about the trade talk that he wishes wasn’t out there…
It wouldn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to find a trail to Scott Boras. Nobody uses the media better…
Rizzo: "It didn't help us in anything we were trying to do. It didn't help us keep a good relationship with Juan and it didn't help us with leverage at the trade deadline. So it really hurt us" that it came out. https://t.co/7ceIeJTumP
— Chelsea Janes (@chelsea_janes) July 27, 2022
Rizzo is shooting down including Corbin in the trade.
As an aside, it is very interesting that the head of Nats baseball ops is talking openly about trading his superstar. For what its worth, the Cardinals would never talk in a similar situation.
This, I must say, has been the most confusing part of some of this speculation. You don't trade a generational talent to save $50M on Patrick Corbin if it costs you talent. https://t.co/KxtaVqr1su
— Chelsea Janes (@chelsea_janes) July 27, 2022
Yea i havent played with the simulator much.. im not understanding why carlson is 77.5 but arenado is .1 ill have to look at it some more
Carlson isn’t even into arbitration yet, Arenado makes $35 million/year. Carlson is 23, Arenado is 31.
Yes. Arenado is better on thr field right now, but when trading you have to consider the money and the future value. Have to figure Carlson isn’t in his prime had multiple years of team control and Arenado is reaching the end of his prime making a lot of money.
Gorman is 22. If the Cardinals are dumb enough to put him in the center of a Soto trade (and I’ve been very open about not being 100% believer in Gorman and still think it’s dumb), then acquiring team will have 3 years of league minimum cost essentially then arbitration years. There is a TON of value in inexpensive talent.If we have to deplete our prospect ranks I would rather go after these guys instead of Soto.
Guardians Open To Dealing Controllable Startershttps://t.co/TugBFMDshe pic.twitter.com/xITTFf1rvD
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) July 27, 2022
Yes indeed Scotty! And as far as the “Guardians” name goes, there is still no way I’m using that name and nobody can make me. They are still the Cleveland Indians……and always will be. Teams select names that people respect or find beautiful. There never was an ounce of disrespect involved with the name “Indians”…..to the absolute contrary.
Cards667… thanks for clearing that up… that makes much more sense. And hopefully Dejong can figure his problem out if a trade will be centered around Nolan Gorman and Edman can move back to 2nd. Otherwise like ive said before i wouldnt mind seeing them go after Bogaerts. I feel like he is more valuable to the cardinals than soto would be and maybe cheaper.
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