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July 25, 2022 at 12:36 pm #192525bccranParticipant
You’re not going to build around Soto. He wouldn’t be here long. You’d be giving up the top 2 prospects in your system for a rental.
July 25, 2022 at 12:59 pm #192527Soto is not a rental 2 1/2 years is not a rental and gives them that time to try to work out an extention that could really turn out to be anything. But we’ll have Soto for a 3 attempts at going deep into the playoffs. It also eases the burden of an Arenado opt out in which we hope he doesn’t do.
July 25, 2022 at 1:02 pm #192528Unless Soto can turn into Ohtani I am not sure how we will be able to upgrade our pitching. Maybe we should just do some one stop shopping and trade for Ohtani instead. The Angels aren’t going anywhere.
July 25, 2022 at 1:03 pm #192529We have not had a real power left handed bat since Carlos Beltran.
July 25, 2022 at 1:04 pm #192530Ohtani is a LH power bat and can pitch. Make them an offer they can’t refuse.
July 25, 2022 at 1:58 pm #192533Social media at its core…
Headlines this week:
Monday: Cards close to acquiring Juan Soto
Tuesday: Cards very close to deal with Nats on Soto
Wednesday: Cards frontrunners for Soto
Thursday: Cards moving closer to acquiring Soto
Friday: Nats agree to trade Juan Soto to the Dodgers
— Seth Wells (@STLDeGo29) July 25, 2022
July 25, 2022 at 1:59 pm #192534bccranParticipantThe Cards are not going to spend a half billion dollars on one player. He’d be here only short term. The Cardinals like legacy types.
July 25, 2022 at 2:25 pm #192536I dont see Soto as a better value (salary/projected salary vs production/projected production) than Arendano
Yet the Nats are asking for significantly more. I think the Cards pass. They might do it if he came cheaper. Something like Carlson, Libertore, Burlson and McGreevy. But someone else Will probably offer more. Just wont be the Cardinals.July 25, 2022 at 2:40 pm #192539CardinalFan4EverParticipantHe wants AAV more than years. Gnats offered 14-440, that’s 31 mill and change a yr. Start at 10-350 and go from there. Pay off the arb yrs with the new contract to entice him, and you have him in his prime from 24-34 yrs old. I think Dewitt wants to win one more at least before he gives up control.
I also do not think he is the only superstar they are asking about either.
July 25, 2022 at 4:17 pm #192548Its all Boras driven nonsense. The idea that the Cards would be serious about taking on Soto and Corbin is laughable. Mo isn’t going to move the top two prospects either, unless it for a top of rotation starter.
July 25, 2022 at 5:41 pm #192549If Mo wanted a top of rotation starter, he should have signed one of many available this winter, and kept the farmhands intact. Verlander, Scherzer, Thor, Rondon, Ray, etc., but he didn’t.
Don’t be surprised by STL signing Dallas Keuchel at the pro-rated minimum.
July 25, 2022 at 6:13 pm #192550bccranParticipantMo felt his rotation was full with Flaherty, Mikolas,
Hudson, Wainwright, and Matz. No room for a big off season signing.July 25, 2022 at 6:36 pm #192552And yet here we sit about 2 starting pitchers short for a good post-season run at a championship.
July 25, 2022 at 6:51 pm #192554Also, MO does have budget constrain. Whether or not he should have budget constraints , is another subject.
July 25, 2022 at 6:55 pm #192555The Cards projected payroll to open 2023 is $139M, which could change with arbitration. One could argue that they have lots of money to spend. Whether they do it remains to be seen.
July 25, 2022 at 7:04 pm #192557Matz listed above in the “full rotation” was an offseason signing.
Mo/ the FO / ownership, all of the above; CHOSE a back of the rotation arm (Matz) and passed on paying for a top of the rotation starter.
When there was room to add Matz, there was room to add a top of the rotation starter.
Sorry if I didn’t make that clear enough for everyone.
July 25, 2022 at 11:33 pm #192578“Mo felt his rotation was full with Flaherty, Mikolas,
Hudson, Wainwright, and Matz. No room for a big off season signing.”Any one with a brain knew 2-3 of those 5 would get injured and / or not meet expectations.
Matz and Flaherty are and have been hurt.
Husdon hasn’t performed.
Wainwright has been pretty good but he’s 80 years old.
Mikolas has done great – I figured he was done but so far he’s been solid.So, out of those 5 we got 1 good, 1 average, and 3 losers….piss poor planning just like last season…..
July 26, 2022 at 8:29 am #192588Is there a single Cardinals fan who would make this trade? It comes from Katie Woo of The Athletic.
Burleson, Carlson, Walker and Winn. One above average MLB starter with multiple years of control, the top two prospects in the system (who are already successful at Double-A) and another in the team’s top 10 who is MLB-ready. All three are in the national top 100.
P.S. I am not attacking the trade as it realistically points out how much it would cost to get Soto.
I do get why observers see a fit. The Cardinals have the players needed to get a deal done. But that doesn’t mean they would actually do it.
This is why I am personally not getting worked up about the rumors. Between the acquisition cost and the future salary, Soto just seems unrealistic for this team.
The deadline is a week away, but if Soto isn’t traded somewhere, the rumors will continue into the offseason.
The intrepid @stephenjnesbitt ran the numbers and came to this conclusion: Juan Soto is really good. https://t.co/glGQ2uvxQe
— Andy McCullough (@ByMcCullough) July 26, 2022
July 26, 2022 at 8:43 am #192589bccranParticipantName a major league team that has 7-8 proven, effective major league starters on their staff (26 man roster) heading into a season. The Cards knew Flaherty was ace quality. When Mikolas was last healthy, he had 32 starts and a 2.83 ERA. They knew he was healthy going into 2022 and he has a 2.87 ERA after 20 starts this season. Good read. Waino had a 3.15 ERA in 2020 and a 3.05 ERA in 2021. They expected his ERA in 2022 to be in the 3s. That’s where it is. Another good read. Hudson had an ERA of 3.35 with 32 starts the last time he was healthy. He was checked out healthy going into 2022. Matz last season
had a 3.82 ERA in the tough AL East. He was coming into a pitcher friendly stadium with a terrific defense behind him.Sorry, but the rotation was set. With depth set up to come from within. That’s the way most most MLB organizations are run.
July 26, 2022 at 9:16 am #192594On one hand I can see old man DeWitt going all in tô try tô win one more before he croaks. On the other hand I think he gets a lot of enjoyment from watching and dreaming about the young prospects Just like any fan.
July 26, 2022 at 9:32 am #192597I can see the Cards trading Walker, Winn, Hicks and perhaps Tink Hence. They don’t fit the Dewitt mold.
July 26, 2022 at 9:40 am #192598bccranParticipantBill Dewitt, Jr. loves prospects. In one conversation I had with him I mentioned 2 prospects at the high A level that I liked. He proceeded to tell me what he liked about them as well as what they needed to work on. Amazing.
July 26, 2022 at 9:40 am #192599Brian I would not do that trade.
1) maybe with a two-day window and a belief he would sign for 13/$440.
2) 2.5 years (only) of Soto versus 22 years of the others — I’m not convinced.
3) if/when Soto misses time for injury it’s like the other four all getting injured at once, and we’re the 2023 Cubs.July 26, 2022 at 10:26 am #192601Kscardfan, what DeWitt mold dont they fit? They are ali HS draftees but só were Gorman and Libertore.
July 26, 2022 at 11:45 am #192606Kscardfan, what DeWitt mold dont they fit? They are ali HS draftees but só were Gorman and Libertore.
CariocaCardinal – Goldy, Arenado, Edman, Donovan, Knizner, Romine, O’Neill, Bader, Carlson, Gorman, Nootbar, Dickerson, Waino, Hudson, Matz, Mikolas, Flaherty, Helsley, Pallante, Naughton, Thompson, McFarland, Verhagen You don’t see a difference there? They don’t fit in there do they.
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