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July 23, 2022 at 6:13 pm #192253
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ParticipantRats – 2/3 of our starting OF has been out. When they were in there we were at close to 10 over .500 at one time early in the season.
July 23, 2022 at 6:44 pm #1922611982 willie
ParticipantI never counted on flaherty to pitch well this year. At this point, he has to show me. It didn’t help when they tried to force him onto the roster instead of slowly bringing him along in minors. Matz I consider a number 4 or 5 pitcher. If he was right handed, he would be exactly where Woodford is. Personally I consider Woodford just as reliable as matz.
July 23, 2022 at 6:59 pm #192269bccran
ParticipantO’Neill back in the lineup makes a difference. We don’t need to spend a half billion dollars on an outsider.
July 23, 2022 at 7:37 pm #192277i love excellent defense, so I’ve cooled somewhat on Soto. Winn would surely be part of any Sosa trade, and giving up Winn’s arm for a Lonnie Smith type of defense
is a chilling thought. One thing to keep in mind is that this current Soto frenzy is being fed by Boras and Rizzo. Sportswriters get the ‘inside scoop’ from a Boras or a Rizzo interview in exchange for writing something that serves the interests of a Boras or a Rizzo. Boras is laying the groundwork for that half a billion dollar contract that he wants for Soto, and Rizzo is just trying to get himself the maximum return in a Soto trade. Walter Alston with the Dodgers used to make manipulation of the media, and with that, manipulation of the fans an art form. Also, we need to keep in mind that if the Cardinals would acquire Sosa, it would be as a rental, and only a rental. There is no way on earth that WDWJr is handing out a 15 year contract to any player regardless of what Boras says. If I recall correctly, WDWJr wouldn’t even give Pujols an offer of more than seven years when he was a free agent. I think the hype about the Cardinals being serious contenders for Soto simply means that Rizzo likes the Cardinals’ farm system. All that said, I still think the Cardinals could acquire Soto. But if it happens, it won’t be for a massive package.July 23, 2022 at 7:48 pm #192284bccran
ParticipantThe Cardinals offered Pujols a 10 year contract.
July 23, 2022 at 9:24 pm #192300I am starting to wonder about Carlson. I realize he is, what, 23 years old? But his first season, which was the virus season, he hit about .200. Then last year he hit .260+. And now this season he is around .260 again.
I’d like to see him do better than .260. And maybe he will by season’s end – be it either in St. Louis or Washington.
r/Esteemed Rat
July 23, 2022 at 9:54 pm #192303bccran
ParticipantWe won’t know how good Carlson will be until he enters into the prime years of his career. And I doubt very seriously that the Cards will trade him. He and Gorman are too important for the future.
July 24, 2022 at 10:00 am #192322Id honestly rather see the cards go after wilson contreras… we need a catcher this year and beyond and he can hit. Trading with the cubs could be the problem but he should be cheaper than soto and still allow us to go after some pitching.
July 24, 2022 at 12:23 pm #192339Indeed, JBrodie. There’s just no way that Soto is coming to St. Louis…….nor would I want him to with what we would have to surrender to Washington for his services. If Mo has any notion whatsoever that he’s going to get anything close to the sweetheart deal that he pulled off with Colorado for Arenado, then he’s sadly mistaken.
July 24, 2022 at 12:36 pm #192344Yea i dont see Soto being worth what they are asking… if we could get a catcher who can hit better than .200 that would be huge… maybe a quality pitcher or 2 as well. Im just sick of our catcher being an automatic out. Contreras is hitting about the same as Soto and secures our big need for years assuming a trade and sign would happen. Otherwise maybe the plan is to steal him via free agency after the season?
July 24, 2022 at 12:40 pm #192346I’m game for either one of them. Don’t see anything beyond a return of Wittgren.
July 24, 2022 at 12:49 pm #192351Doubt the Cubs will deal with STL, Contreras is going to be expensive, STL would have to pay more to the Cubs more than likely, and I also don’t have much interest in him. He as consistently graded out as one of the worst defensive catchers.
BTV has him at 9.5. Which means Yepez/Nootbaar and Nunez for him, or along those lines. No thanks. Not for 2 months of Contreras.
July 24, 2022 at 12:51 pm #19235314NyquisT
ParticipantRats re Carlson….
I’d like to see him do better than .260. And maybe he will by season’s end
.260 is the new .280.
July 24, 2022 at 5:08 pm #192406There is no guarantee that Flaherty or Matz will throw another pitch this year. It is blatantly obvious that we need pitching. Soto can’t pitch.
July 24, 2022 at 5:19 pm #192409We need a Pitcher or three. No Soto can’t pitch. But we also need hitters. And unless your Pitcher is Ohtani he can’t hit. The needs is just as bad there. So to me this team is a mess. If they did go get help it would probably be an old vet pitcher that has been done for years and another weak bat like Dickerson. The problem is above.
July 24, 2022 at 5:46 pm #192414bccran
ParticipantO’Neill – Bader – Carlson – Arenado- Goldschmidt – Edman – Gorman –
Molina – YepezPlenty of firepower there and great defense. Where would you improve?
July 24, 2022 at 8:16 pm #192434Juan Soto news roundup:
The Nationals have told prospective bidders that including LHP Patrick Corbin (2.5 years, $70 million remaining) is a “must” in a Soto deal
According to one Nationals insider who was initially skeptical the team would actually trade Soto rather than letting the new owners make that decision, interest has been so aggressive he’d now be surprised if they don’t deal him.
From the #STLCards, the Nationals want #1 prospect 3B Jordan Walker, plus SS Masyn Winn (#4 prospect) in addition to either 1B Luken Baker (#12 prospect) or LHP Connor Thomas (#15 prospect)
All via NY Daily NewsJuly 24, 2022 at 8:22 pm #192435bccran
ParticipantHow about Bader, DeJong, Baker, Sosa, and
Thomas.July 24, 2022 at 8:25 pm #192439I’d do that deal. Walker and Winn are blocked by Arenado and Edman.
Pugs? Call Mo and make the recommendation to pull the plug on that deal.
July 24, 2022 at 8:41 pm #192445It’s hard for me to believe Walker, Winn, Baker would be enough, even taking on Corbin and the contract. So that would actually be tempting, but I don’t see them adding that kind of payroll.
July 25, 2022 at 11:24 am #192513Just wondering here.
If we do NOT trade for Soto does anyone suspect that sends a message to Arenado? And then Arenado opts out after this season?
And if we do trade for Soto does anyone believe that will be enough to convince Arenado to stay?
July 25, 2022 at 11:29 am #192516If we do NOT trade for Soto does anyone suspect that sends a message to Arenado? And then Arenado opts out after this season?
And if we do trade for Soto does anyone believe that will be enough to convince Arenado to stay?
On the first one that depends on if they make no moves or if they get some other high caliber player. If we do trade for Soto yes I see him staying. I think he probably stays anyway. Winning apparently isn’t that huge a thing for him after seeing recent developments.
July 25, 2022 at 11:35 am #192517
stlcard25ParticipantIf Walker, Winn and Baker or Thomas got it done I’d be thrilled. Corbin may benefit from a chance of scenery as well, so it would be an expensive form of JA Happ/Lester from last year.
July 25, 2022 at 11:42 am #192518bccran
ParticipantIf you trade Walker and Winn, what other 5 star position prospects do you have left in the system?
July 25, 2022 at 11:55 am #192521
stlcard25ParticipantI’m not sure what you consider a 5 star prospect, but you’d have 23 year old Soto, 23 year old Carlson, 22 year old Gorman, 22 year old Herrera, and others like Donovan, Burleson, Yepez and such to build around.
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