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We have a decent chance of getting that bonus draft pick if he keeps playing this well. I’m not sure who the other ROY candidates are though.
Stewart has fallen off a cliff lately so we will see how they compare later. The biggest competition as of now is Nolan McLean as he is pitching like a top of the rotation guy.
ATM, I saw that Stewart is 1 for his last 13, at least. McLean for the Mets would be another contender. Who wins ROTY when comparing pitchers to position players. Position players have more impact, IMO.
JJ is on pace for a 6-7 WAR season without the bump from his likely to increase batting average. If he makes it to that level, he’ll be getting MVP votes. If that’s the case, he’ll probably win ROY.
27 typically the position player wins so I think JJ has the edge but McLean seems like the real deal and will put some competition for sure.
his likely to increase batting average.
JJ is batting .156 with no xbase hits for May and his full batting line for the month to date is appalling (OPS+ 20). He is batting .235 on the year, but that is heavily reliant on the week long hot streak at the end of April which raised his BA from .220 to .256. We will just have to wait and see if he can even out his production. If not, it will depend on how frequent the hot streaks are.
He’s still a rookie making the jump from aaa to majors. A very talented rookie. I think he’s smart and will make the adjustments. Fortunately his defense is elite. 7th in league defensive oaa. So waiting for him to find offensive consistency is pretty painless. Those eye popping dp with Winn kind of make you forget about it.
Yes, he is adjusting to major league opponents, and major league opponents are adjusting to him. No telling how it will play out.
Weatherholt has done fine. Defensively hes been great. As far as some of the stuff hes done, hes had the benefit of being a lineup regular, someone who doesnt have the distinction of being a top draft pick and very popular wouldnt be getting all those chances with the same batting average.
Well I guess we have to have something to complain about. If I made a list of top problems with the Cardinals I am not sure if Wetherholt would crack the top 10.
someone who doesnt have the distinction of being a top draft pick and very popular wouldnt be getting all those chances with the same batting average.
He could be un drafted and would still be playing every inning of every game. Obp .350 slg.407 ops .757. Ba isn’t what it used to be. All those other #’s are more important when calculating productivity. Not to mention being 7th overall defensive out above average.
His “full batting line for the month” is just eight games. He has been streaky. So what? Let’s just focus on the stretches that look bad.
Beating the batting average drum while ignoring other more important stats is more of the same.
“He is a disappointment!”
Batting avg is very important if you know sonething about the game other than what modern baseball thinkers know. Sure there are other things that figure in but i would take a consistent high avg person over anyone else. Sure its nice to have some guys with pop in your lineup in the right spots but nothing beats a guy that is constantly getting hits. Sure guys that can work a walk are great too but in the end the guys with high avgs will get walks as well. Jj will be fine far as his avg goes i believe, we will see. I stand by what i said, if he wasnt the big high draft pick with a lot of buzz, i doubt he gets all these plate appearances. Now you could say hes better than all the other options which prob would be true but you could argue the same for some others.
Wetherholt is 24th in all of baseball in position player value delivered at 1.5 WAR. Whether you like stats or the eye test, JJ has been playing very good defensively. He is taking very competitive PA and importantly for a leadoff hitter, he is getting on base and scoring runs. Agreed with Gscottar as I don’t think any aspect of Wetherholt’s game has been disappointing especially for a rookie and warrants complaining about.
I dont really know anyone said he waa a disapoointmat, maybe they did. They would be wrong. I never complained about him. Hes done a fine job. Not great, fine. And yea hes just a rookie. But the recent convo was about rookie of the year not how he fits with the team. Two separate convos.
I am impressed with Wetherholt. He’s got a quick bat and good eye at the plate. Add to that a much better than average defense and he is a valuable player.
He will put together a monster year sometime before he’s 30 – maybe a few of them.
1982willie said:
I stand by what i said, if he wasnt the big high draft pick with a lot of buzz, i doubt he gets all these plate appearances. Now you could say hes better than all the other options which prob would be true but you could argue the same for some others.
Please clarify. Here are the other 2B options. Please specify which one(s) of them is better than JJ?
Gorman
Saggese
Fermin
Prieto
TorresI already said he was the best second base option that we currently have. My opinion is that there are players in other positions that are the best we have in that positions but arent receiving every at bat at that position. Like i said, i never said he shouldnt be playing second base or even getting most of the playing time there.
This is updating a post I used to respond to bling the last time JJ slumped. He has been extremely hot and cold this season (JJ, not bling. The latter is very consistent!).
When JJ slumps, folks post about it. When he plays well, much less is said.
Games 1-8: .276/.371/.379/.751
Games 9-16: .156/.289/.188/.477
Games 17-24: .231/.432/.500/.932
Games 25-31: .367/.424/.867/1.291
Games 32-39 (May): .156/.250/.156/.406Summary: Two red-hot periods, two ice-cold periods and one down the middle.
Like most, I imagine, I wish JJ would be more consistent, but he has played just 40 MLB games. It may take some time for him to level out his performance.
P.S. I honestly cannot understand those who put more emphasis on BA over OBP, especially for a leadoff hitter. I just don’t get it.
His “full batting line for the month” is just eight games. He has been streaky. So what? Let’s just focus on the stretches that look bad.
To be fair, though, his season batting line is significantly propped up by a less than 8 game hot streak at the end of April. Just prior to that streak, on April 24, his line for the season was .220/.360/.341/.700. Now since the beginning of May it headed back down towards that, with the OBP already below the April 24 level, which is rightly concerning.
I don’t think he’s bad or anything. He is a nifty defender. I don’t know if he will continue to walk as much as he did. He already isn’t. He looks like mostly a singles hitter rather than a gap hitter, IMO. I don’t know if he will ultimately stick at leadoff. I do think they will leave him at leadoff all this season no matter what. Why not. Its not like there is someone else. He is the high energy sort of player, like Noot was and hopefully will be.
Bling, you seem to be the only one concerned about JJ. Parsing out short periods isn’t indicative of the overall picture. 40 games into his career, he is doing fine overall.
“I don’t know if he will continue to walk as much as he did.”
Why not?
Career MiLB walk rate – 14.1%
MLB walk rate – 10.9%“I do think they will leave him at leadoff all this season no matter what. Why not. Its not like there is someone else.”
You are right; they have no one else posting a .354 OBP other than Walker and Herrera. In the entire NL, he is fourth in OBP among leadoff hitters, behind Wood, Ohtani and Acuna.
Again, it may get down to what one’s expectations were coming in. Apparently, you expect him to be the best leadoff man in the league right out of the chute. That he is only fourth-best at getting on base is some kind of a letdown.
I’m completely speechless at this thread! Just shaking my head.
Let’s start a new thread and complain about Ohtani’s sinker being very pedestrian and how a sinker is critical to being a great pitcher and how he’s just not that good of player otherwise.
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