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December 21, 2020 at 4:06 pm #150079
Sorry, should have not gone from memory. Brebbia actually won't reach six years of service and free agency until after 2023, making him potentially even more valuable. https://t.co/1H0yTggEtU
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 21, 2020
December 21, 2020 at 8:33 pm #150091Tovar was with Memphis in 2017 and 2018…
Mets Sign Wilfredo Tovar, Tom Windle To Minors Deals https://t.co/k2ey6dcEjo pic.twitter.com/gzXXrvv0Jk
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) December 22, 2020
December 26, 2020 at 7:00 pm #150487This is starting right now…
We lost 6 @baseballhall legends in 6 months.
But tonight, we remember them. 8pm ET on MLB Network. pic.twitter.com/uFOHODS0ga
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 27, 2020
December 27, 2020 at 1:58 am #150497
dblackParticipantSaw where Akeem Bostic re-signed with the Kansas City T-Bones of the American Association team. Does this mean he has been released?
December 27, 2020 at 6:29 am #150498Or he had a 2020 contract that expired and he returned to free agency and it just wasn’t reported. Either way, he is gone as you note. Thanks for the heads up, dblack.
December 27, 2020 at 12:15 pm #150528How much money do players make for independent teams like the KC T-Bones?
December 27, 2020 at 12:34 pm #150532
dblackParticipantThe minimum was $1200 for Rookies and increases with levels of experience in the American Association. Two years ago the minimum was $600 a month in the Frontier League. Not sure what the FL is now since it combined with the Can-Am League. The Independent leagues will have a few players to choose from because of the contraction of MiLB.
December 27, 2020 at 3:31 pm #150543In fact, the indy leagues will have MANY more players to choose from. Though not every player is willing to take that detour. Job security is non-existent in comparison to affiliated ball, where the organization has invested in the player. Perform or be prepared to go home.
January 1, 2021 at 9:35 am #150994January 10, 2021 at 11:52 am #151456Yankees Sign Tyler Lyons https://t.co/i5CUgzg7G8 pic.twitter.com/hsAXrjYRnX
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 10, 2021
January 10, 2021 at 3:37 pm #151474Nick Martini was drafted by the Cardinals in 7th round of the 2011 MLB draft.
He is now with his hometown Cubs.
January 10, 2021 at 6:07 pm #151478
stlcard25ParticipantI feel like Lyons was one of those guys I thought could have been a solid #5 starter if the Cards didn’t have such incredible depth at SP back in that 2013-15 time frame. He never really got that chance.
January 11, 2021 at 9:11 am #151510I agree 25. Lyons gave the Cardinals some good outings occasionally. He was about at the Ponce/Gomber level.
January 11, 2021 at 9:17 am #151511Looking at it the other way, Lyons has been gone from the Cardinals since 2018 and he hasn’t really caught on elsewhere. He turns 33 in a few weeks, so he is post-peak. If Ponce and Gomber are really comps, are they being overrated? Or at least, like Lyons, will they have a better chance in relief?
January 11, 2021 at 10:26 am #151523
jj-cf-stlParticipantLyons did get 20 GS during 2013-15 but his pitch types better fit a reliever. He reminds me of Brett Cecil, another SP moved to the pen due to pitch types. When both lost their breaking pitches effectiveness, they were done. They were good when their one pitch was dominant, but had no effective pitch to fall back on.
Ponce and Gomber have multi-pitch arsenals, especially Gomber, but both have fastballs as their primary pitches with secondary breaking stuff as pluses, not primaries.
January 11, 2021 at 8:47 pm #151566If Gomber keeps improving on his control of his curveball, it will be a primary pitch for him. His curveball rides up, then curves way down something like Waino’s curve.
January 11, 2021 at 10:14 pm #151571
jj-cf-stlParticipantWe know Austin has had a wiffleball curve, but I was glad to see he didn’t over-feature that pitch in 2020 after missing a season to injury. Savant shows his pitch usage as 4-seamer 52.5%, curve 24.3%, slider 15.8% and changeup 7.4%
Gombers run value on those pitches last season:
4-seamer -7, wainwrights curve was best at -8
changeup -2
curve -1
slider +1Flaherty as a tough comparable for Gomber:
sinker -2
slider -1
4-seamer +0
changeup +1
curve +2here’s KK, while I’m typing:
4-seamer -7
slider -2
changeup -2
curve +1
KK was a close comparable for Gomber last seasonsavant / statcast
January 12, 2021 at 6:41 am #151574jj, thank you for sharing that data. What are your conclusions? Gomber is better than he gets credit for?
This is a minor point, but it made me think when you wrote this:
“…I was glad to see he didn’t over-feature that pitch in 2020…”
Isn’t pitch selection and usage as much a Maddux and Molina thing? Guessing Gomber does not shake off Yadi often…
It also causes me to think about how pitch selection and effectiveness could change with Knizner (or any less experienced receiver) behind the plate.
January 12, 2021 at 7:24 am #151577
jj-cf-stlParticipantWas glad to see straight stuff was 60% and spinning it was 40%, and not the opposite, in an a manner of protecting himself from re-injury. Could have been an organizational decision, or possibly out of necessity because fastball / changeup value was his most effective pitches last season.
If Gomber gets the wiffleball curve back not season I like his pitches as a SP3. So a SP5 credit currently is fair until we see him produce better results, but I see upside from SP5 by his pitch types. Same with Reyes, we may like him better than a SP5 but he needs to show it at mlb too. With continued health, both could breakout in a big way next season, given the opportunity.
January 12, 2021 at 9:45 am #151589I like having Reyes and Gomber in the rotation. Unfortunately, there probably isn’t room. Kim, Martinez, Mikolas, Flaherty and I would still like to see Waino re-signed.
But enough of that on this thread.
January 12, 2021 at 11:12 am #151590bccran
ParticipantStrong possibility Reyes gets the chance?
January 12, 2021 at 1:20 pm #151600His value is as a top of the rotation starter, so he must be given that chance.
January 14, 2021 at 2:48 pm #151737Mets To Sign Jose Martinez https://t.co/Hi0gRIGewg pic.twitter.com/jqrF6zVjTq
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 14, 2021
January 25, 2021 at 11:14 am #152429This is an odd one…
January 25, 2021 at 11:20 am #152430Tony Cingrani is throwing for teams at a showcase a week from today Feb. 1 in Tempe, AZ. The lefthander is still only 31.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 25, 2021
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