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From the risk/reward column, I suggest Austin Gomber on a dirt cheap deal. If he can do better, so be it.
Dependable innings should be priority one.
Even a couple guys who can go 90-100 IP, and have a recent track record of durability. They don’t even have to be good trade chips, we need IP.
That sounds a lot like Fedde and Mikolas.
Mo’s version, and he couldn’t even see Fedde was a flash in the pan. I tagged that on him in his acquistion thread. So i guess its about choices GS.
Lynn and Gibson were two guys brought in to eat innings – not be good or great – just get into the 6th inning on the regular.
I’m sure you’re aware that LL was a 1st round Redbird draft pick and was way beyond an innings eater as a Cardinal. He went 79-51 for a .608 W/L pct. working the pitcher’s mound while wearing a Redbird uniform. That’s pretty good for a guy who washed down Bavarian Bismark doughnuts with ice cold beer…
Lynn didn’t always eat Bismarks 1TD. He did the beach body diet that one year. He just said screw it after that and made up for lost time.
Lynn was an underrated cardinal. He had a nice career not only in STL but in other places as well.
Lynn was a character. I liked him. We need more vets like him instead instead of whacked out nut jobs.
I think he was talking about 2024 specifically, not career. That year, the two were brought in to eat innings, which they did. Not particularly inspiring if you had title aspirations, but it probably kept the team over .500 at least.
The FO found a way to avoid Edmans extension, for a DFA, in return. Brilliant, mission accomplished.
The FO found a way to avoid Edmans extension, for a DFA, in return. Brilliant, mission accomplished.
This was one of Bozoliak’s finest moments…. one he can be proud of. The team suffers when he trades All-Stars for has-beens.
2026 could be a real ruff year if they don’t put any money into the MLB team, but they will still be ahead of where they have been the last 3 years with Mozeliak and hopefully Marmol sacked at the end of the year.
Trading Tommy wasn’t the problem. He is currently OPS’ing .677 while on a $74M contract. That was never going to fly on a rebuilding team with declining revenue. The problem is that the return didn’t pan out although to be honest Tommy didn’t have a ton of trade value at the time considering that he had not played one inning in 2024 at the time the deal was done.
The .800 Club of 2025:
Two qualifiers; 1) have a monthly ops .800 or above, 2) have a top 9 PA’s for that month.April: .870 donny, .839 Noot
May: .888 burly, .846 donny, .844 Ivan, .801 winn
June: .888 burly, .881 willson, .867 gorman
July: .862 willson, .859 burly, .807 walker3 burly
2 donny, Willson
1 noot, ivan, gorman, walkerNon-members: Arenado, Scott and Pages, who rank 6th, 7th and 8th by 2025 PA’s.
.888 Burly
.888 Burly
.881 Willson
.870 Donny
.867 Gorman
.862 Willson
.859 Burly
.846 Donny
.844 Ivan
.839 Noot
.807 Walker
.801 Winngscottar said:
1) The problem is that the return didn’t pan out
2) although to be honest Tommy didn’t have a ton of trade value at the time considering that
3) he had not played one inning in 2024 at the time the deal was done.
IMO, #1 is the main problem. #3 is fact. #2 I do not agree with. Edman was a desired, proven commodity and the long-term deal he signed after the trade confirmed that. Though he was slow to come back from injury, it wasn’t considered chronic or career damaging. And he was in minor league rehab games at the time. Again, with full hindsight, it is all about #1 in my book.
I went to Baseball Trade Values and looked back at the values of the players involved at the time of the trade. I am not saying that BTV is gospel but it is interesting to look at.
Cardinals:
Erick Fedde 19.0
Tommy Pham 1.1Dodgers:
Tommy Edman 2.6
Michael Kopech (.7)White Sox:
Miguel Vargas 7
Alexander Albertus 2.5
Jeral Perez 1.9I think the Sox got another minor prospect but I couldn’t find a value for him.
The trade didn’t work out for the Cardinals on the field but their was some justification for it, and as JJ alluded to, the Cardinals did clear Tommy’s salary off of the books which was probably a primary objective as well.
Gscottar- The other guy in the trade was a DSL guy that went from the Cards to the Dodgers.
I was ho hum about the trade at the time because Edman was our only real CFer (even though some didn’t believe it) and I felt like we were buying Fedde at his peak cost. But we needed reliable pitching and Edman was hurt with no certainty on his return date.
In the end, we suffered through a season of Siani. He provided elite D and no O. We also suffered through a month of promoting Scott too early and him playing abysmal. Fedde was ok for about half a season (between’24 and ‘25) and then he fell off a cliff. Edman played great for a couple months for LA and has struggled some since with both injuries and performance. He’s probably a liability now for the Dodgers based off his contract, but not one they can’t absorb and still get some use out of. And instead of trading Fedde for value, we waited until mid season and traded him for a Hallmark card with a $10 bill in it from the Braves. That part still irks me. I understand the reasoning behind it, but I still think the process was bad given what Fedde was at the time.
A blurb concerning Contreras, from something called Rotoballer, popped up on my news feed and caused me to wonder if Willson might be hitting his way into enough trade value for BDW to off the contract on favorable terms. I am not saying we should move him, but I would not put it past BDW to rid himself of that contract if he can.
“. Since the All-Star break, the former catcher has posted a strong .270/.360/.527 line with an .887 OPS. During this stretch, he has hit four home runs and held a 22:8 K:BB. Under the hood, he has generated an elite .381 xwOBA (90th percentile) and a .529 xSLG (92nd percentile),”
nstead, what he’ll probably do is threaten to move the team to Knoxville or Paducah if Cardinal nation doesn’t shape up and start clicking the turnstiles and agree to taxpayer funded renovations to his ballpark…Haha!
The Missouri legislature passed a bill to make Missouri taxpayers liable for funding stadiums for the Chiefs & Royals.
I am sure they will do the same for DeWitt.
The Cardinals are not going to sign any expensive FA’s this winter so any chance of improving the rotation is going to have to come from trades.
If the Cardinals feel they need two starters for 2026, I would think one would be a FA like a Mike Lorenzen who can be had on a one year deal worth about $7 million, and the other will likely be via trade.
Assuming the NTC’s don’t waive their rights then we will have to trade someone like Donovan, Burly, Noot, Crooks, Bernal or some combo of this group. They all have some trade value whereas Gorman and Walker probably do not. Herrera and Winn would be on my untouchable list unless absolutely blown away by a trade proposal.
I see a package of something like Burleson + Crooks + pitching prospect as the most likely to bring back a SP.
Agree, I prefer Herrera over Burleson for DH/1B/emergency OF.
Worth a chuckle on Monday morning.
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— JANDY (@Jandystl) August 18, 2025
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